Session Start: Fri Oct 22 14:56:20 2004 Session Ident: #idgtalks * Logging #idgtalks to 'logs\#idgtalks.GRNet.log' [14:56] you tell Max how to get here? [14:56] Yep [14:56] * Maxfin has joined #idgtalks [14:56] Ah! [14:56] Welcome.. [14:57] jesuchristo, this two job thing is kicking my ASS [14:57] morning everyone [14:57] just quick visit :P [14:57] heh, mornin' [14:57] Sure. All welcome (well from PAL and APO anyway ) [14:57] well, really this is mostly a information relay [14:57] I have 3 job sites under construction at this time... I am working from 5 am to 9 pm almost every day til thanksgiving [14:57] yuck [14:58] I'm afraid I can't open the save from here, but I will do what I can with my memory [14:58] k... [14:58] I have it open [14:58] We may as well kick off, unless anyone wants to wait for a bit...? [14:58] first thing; we've found multiple sea tiles peering out at us from west of Crudetown [14:58] you guys know anything about the water north of you? [14:58] No, togas, oct and II are not on line right now. [14:58] Crudetown... just a sec [14:58] southernmost town, near the silks [14:59] if that's the other continent over there... [14:59] well, it'll make life interesting [14:59] Ya, there is a small island we are looking at. Have done a small recon of it, and it will hold 1 city. [14:59] OK, found a mp [14:59] *map [14:59] is it roughly in line with Crudetown, maybe a tad south, same latitude mostly? [14:59] Ya, more or less. [15:00] okay. that's what we're seeing fringes of then [15:00] good news and bad news, I guess, depending on how you look at it [15:00] The island we've found is a bit further west than that though, immediately north of our core [15:00] So that could be another island... [15:00] hmm. interesting. [15:00] well, we're not about to go banzai-joe anytime soon [15:00] Certainly not the other continent though :( [15:00] okay, next bit [15:00] we noticed you guys have the iron thing goin' on now [15:00] We have Curraghs charting around there, just not much of interest yet [15:01] "Best unit is the Swordsman!" [15:01] Yep, and many upgrades completed! [15:01] What about the island to the north of the peninsula (north of Swiss City) [15:01] ...but we also noticed Bonehed hasn't been put to the stake. While that's cool, do you think we could maybe plant his head on a stake on those wines on the hill? ;) [15:01] WRT Bonehed - he is heading straight to the wines to road now. [15:01] Actually, we are going to road the hills and send him back. [15:01] We're going to be pretty hungry for lux in the near future, for obvious reasons [15:01] Should be there in... [15:02] 2 turns [15:02] bah, just plant his head on a damn pike on the hill. :P [15:02] hehe [15:02] you have no idea how much we hate that guy. ;) [15:02] * WIA calls for Pikemen [15:02] up to you [15:02] anyhow [15:02] the island north of us is an unknown quantity [15:02] but won't be for much longer [15:02] we've invested in a modest navy, and one vessel is heading that way. [15:02] Cool. [15:03] okay, last "real" thing - the war date [15:03] I imagine it will end icily, but worth checking [15:03] You have a galley in the area? Our currach was going to heda that way. [15:03] we're in position to strike the first town..well.. now [15:03] any time [15:03] OK. We want to establish one last city near their borders and finish the road to it [15:03] The people have voted to give me immediate strike powers if CDG goes into Anarchy or displays Masonry, but barring either of those factors... [15:03] We have 1 more sword to build (done in 1) then anarchy, then we are ready. [15:03] We have all the troops needed, IIRC [15:04] Ah - GK is more right than I - he's the guy with the knowledge of this [15:04] We don't know if the Literature request was pursued by them [15:04] * Kloreep has joined #idgtalks [15:04] if it was, the only way we'll jump them early is if they go into Anarchy [15:04] Hi [15:05] Yes, about Anarchy, we've been hinting we could give them a (as yet unconnected) second lux so they could go into Anarchy, but so far nothing has come of that. [15:05] so are you talking the turn you convert out of anarchy, you attack immediately, or "out+1" [15:05] We can go into anarchy now, but we prefer to start the war out of it in case our GA starts. [15:05] oh I understand [15:05] were you also planning on taking that new city, btw? [15:05] probably not until it grows either way, but... [15:05] We will be fully in position durring anarchy, and our troop will start marching the turn we exit it. [15:05] So all we are waiting for (GK will correct me), is this last Sword, and then Anarchy. [15:05] correct [15:06] excellent. [15:06] Then attack as close to the end of Anarchy as possible (preferably out of it, but we have to see what they do as well) [15:06] Okay, let us know what turn you get out then. ;) [15:06] Will do. [15:06] I believe our plan is Anarchy next as well - I think [15:06] either that or the turn after. [15:06] So timing is hopefully no more than about 5 turns, if Anarchy is nice to us [15:06] pray for 2! heeh [15:06] okay, another point... [15:06] how long on currency? [15:07] I'm sure it's "awhile" [15:07] FP - are you planning on getting out of Anarchy before the attack, or just whenever is best to invade? [15:07] but how long [15:07] 31 at this time... [15:07] well, our GA will not be affected by the war, obviously [15:07] 31! [15:07] wow. Okay, that works out well actually. [15:07] ::chuckle:: [15:07] We've been saving cash for the upgrades [15:07] we're going to be doing a massive sweep-and-clear of barb camps and we won't be in position to do that immediately. [15:08] We had a tonn of upgrades of warriors to swords.... way to many IMHO, but that is what our military wanted. [15:08] We're currently arguing about just how fast to fill that SE area [15:08] WOn't be in a position to do what? [15:08] but there are a few barb camps down there [15:08] Slowly, please. [15:08] ? [15:08] Ooops,,, SW... [15:08] We're honoring the disputed zone until we resolve that. :) [15:08] fill the SE as soon as you want. [15:08] I said SE. ;) [15:08] Yes [15:09] [15:07] we're going to be doing a massive sweep-and-clear of barb camps and we won't be in position to do that immediately. [15:09] WOn't be in a position to do what? [15:09] well, if we're pounding CDG's head into their ass... [15:09] Oh I see. [15:09] we're not in a position to go thump multiple barb camps [15:09] so if you were finishing currency in 6 like we are construction... [15:09] we'd have a bit of a flailfest [15:09] Wow - that's quick... [15:09] CDG has 6 turns to live once the war begins. Most of that is time our armies are spending marching. [15:09] Just as well we have it slow. [15:10] We also envision a very quick spearhead [15:10] We'd prefer not to have to thump camps during the war as well. [15:10] and yeah, our research is popping right along [15:10] hmm [15:10] the timing is going to be.... interesting. [15:10] Just make sure you guys let us know when you have Construction so we can avoid both of us getting into the next age until ready! [15:10] with our GA [15:10] we don't want to be researching nothing if we can avoid it obviously [15:11] ::Muse:: [15:11] hmm. [15:11] what is your research going like? [15:11] * Octavian_X has joined #idgtalks [15:11] Post-Anarchy? Staggering [15:11] 6 turns war, I think they might give up in turn 2 of attack :P [15:11] Post-Anarchy in GA? Godly [15:12] 31 may actually turn out to be a problem in the longer haul afte rall [15:12] I'll have to let the number crunchers stare at that [15:12] Ya, same here if we are in republic and we can get the unit support. [15:12] that's true [15:12] you'll get it faster than 31, probably more like 10 [15:12] especially if you hit your GA. [15:13] we may just have to hustle some horses back across the Bay to deal with the camps post-war. heh [15:13] Have you guys given any thought to research in Medieval? [15:14] Well, 31, minus anarchy, plus GA, I suspect we may gain currency in about 20 turns [15:15] Not really. it depends on if we get our GA out of the war or not. That is up in the air if they decide to send an archer against a hoplite. [15:15] You guys willing to lob a hoplite at an injured unit to get it? hehe [15:16] heck, against a fort unwounded spear if we have to. [15:16] hehe. [15:16] Well, regarding Medieval research, I can tell you one thing... [15:16] PAL is definitely planning on doing the "gunpowder half" [15:16] Of course, if we kill all 12 of them that way, we won't have to worry about unit support so much. [15:16] it's a nervous-defense thing; since you have iron and we don't, all that jazz [15:16] Understand. [15:17] besides, if we can get cavalry in production nice and early [15:17] when you guys grab caravels, voila [15:17] With all our desert, we have a good chance of having 1 or 2. Of course, you have plenty of hills in your land. [15:17] the army is already ready to sail across [15:17] think Saltpeter can be on mountains too, no? [15:17] How big of a navy are you thinking of? And yess, mountains as well., [15:18] ::Shrug:: No real thought given to that yet [15:18] but if we're going to sail over and break heads... [15:19] We are thinking along the lines of 6 transports at this time, with more as tech progresses. We plan on using ours for scouting mostly at this time. [15:19] sounds about right; as I say, contrary to popular belief, we don't plan wars that far in advance. ;) [15:19] lot od missbelieves about PAL :P [15:19] we're looking forward to a nice, quiet, trait-flexing time for awhile [15:19] hahahaha we are already planning on killing at least one of the other teams. [15:20] oh absolutely, we'll have to [15:20] but we're concentrating on the interlude mostly [15:20] though I suppose we DO have boats out looking for sealanes and the Lighthouse in the queue [15:20] Out diplo analysis folks figure that they had to of made contact with eachother and are trading between themselves. [15:20] Just by the score. [15:20] eh... [15:20] I believe "made contact" [15:20] Sorry guys - supervisor called [15:20] not sure I believe "trading" [15:21] we got Philo awful late guys [15:21] a concerted effort SHOULD have beaten us [15:21] that makes me think there isn't one going on over there [15:21] and remember, SHU can afford to expand reckless- they've got Enkidus [15:21] True. But would anybody have rushed for it knowing that we and the vikings had 1 tech to start on it to begin with? [15:22] OK, caught up, more or less [15:22] maybe if they figured they'd have an edge [15:22] after all, we *could* have beaten you to it [15:22] obviously that'd have been really dumb [15:22] but SHU was keeping up with us for awhile [15:22] Hell yes! Looking at the map, you guys are one big scary monster [15:22] they're not now... which we find...puzzling... [15:23] Maybe they're going the GL way, and expect to catch up massively with us [15:23] We're not a big scary monster. :P [15:23] True, but we didn't rush it. We lost over 10 turns of tech early on with all the deals we made that caused us to switch researching things 1/2 way through. [15:23] Think of us as your particularly large, hairy-armed neighbor "Louis" [15:23] I prefer Bob, but whatever.. [15:23] who wants to take you out for a night of "real fun" beating some punk heads. ;) [15:24] Making us the small, weedy yet wiry fighters? ;) [15:24] precisely. [15:24] A classic comedy duo [15:24] would you all mind lobbing the iron at us sometime around the knight era to keep our units vaguely current in case something scary happens? [15:25] If the other two are not trading (or trading much) we thing a knight and MI invasion will work wonders as they will still be in the ancient era and have no real defense. [15:25] I don't see why not. [15:25] Sure thing. [15:25] we already figured on that. [15:25] what your intelligence staff thinks about literacy trate? [15:25] yeah, but if you're wrong and they are trading... [15:25] and our army shows up to "BANG!" [15:25] literacy % I mean [15:25] heh, good question Max [15:25] have you guys been following that? WTF? [15:26] You mean in Demographics? [15:26] would indicate that they both got lit but I'm not so familiar with those issues [15:26] No. I don't understand what you are asking? [15:26] yeah [15:26] the only thing we can conclude is either A) something is SNAFU with our understanding, or B) CDG has contact across the continent [15:26] our Literacy Rate has been going NUTS [15:26] 1, 2, 4,2 [15:26] 1,3,4,3 you mean ;P [15:26] what he said [15:26] it's the "4" that scares us [15:27] that may mean CDG has talks across the ocean [15:27] I doubt that. [15:27] Well, I know there are lots of bugs, as we often loose 1-2 turns in production due to unknown reasons. [15:27] we'd doubt it too, Oct [15:28] but one of their boats "never came back" [15:28] we lost track of it [15:28] CDG *has* mentioned exploring the waters east of us before\ [15:28] and we should've seen it come home [15:28] it disappeared in the SE region [15:28] Interesting. [15:28] and we've seen an injured barb boat take off running [15:28] and then also disappear [15:28] and we did also loose track of 2 of theri settlers, but we suspect they lost both to barbs. [15:28] Sea monsters? [15:28] heh [15:29] well..here's my personal fear [15:29] this isn't a theory supported by anyone [15:29] if you're CDG right now, you've GOT to see the writing on the wall [15:29] PAL is breathing down your neck from above [15:29] We lost our first currach to a barb just north of their capitol around 50 turns ago. [15:29] APO is leaning heavily on you from the west [15:29] what if they've been running curraghs out east like mad? [15:29] We;re not, actually. They've been expanding west as much as they can [15:29] so it was your curragh then :P [15:30] If they can find a 1 square island... they will live til marines. [15:30] guys need to run, c u later [15:30] They have been horribly weak even in relation to us before the upgrade. [15:30] which will have all kinds of icky implications [15:30] later Max [15:30] OK Max - see you. [15:30] They think we're talking trading posibilities over here, and I'm not entirely sure they have the production capacity to spit out curraghs too fast. [15:30] later [15:30] bye. [15:30] It's worth a thought [15:30] heroic trying to learn using mirc [15:31] Hero is our Wizard of the Interior [15:31] I just sent him the info [15:31] largely responsible for the goliath north of you [15:31] Cool. [15:31] my hands, his brain, mostly [15:32] ::prods Heroic:: [15:33] I sent it to him? [15:33] as did I [15:34] * Friedrich mutters about Apolytoners playing MP but not knowing what Gamespy is about [15:34] * Heroic has joined #idgtalks [15:34] there he is [15:34] :-) [15:34] Hello!!!!! [15:34] someone update him? I gotta grab a cold drink [15:34] irc is new to me [15:34] it is easy once you do it a couple of times. [15:34] Yeah [15:35] OK. Short version: [15:35] Once you learn how to connect, it's easy [15:35] :-) [15:35] well, let's see [15:35] ahhhh i see the individual messages now [15:35] i get it [15:35] Bonehed is enroute the wines [15:35] we have 1 turn of production, then we go into anarchy. We wish to be out of anarchy so our GA starts in republic. [15:35] they're going to road them rather than put his head on a stake on the hill ones [15:35] naturally roading is preferred [15:35] disappointing, but [15:35] BAH [15:36] that's BONEHED [15:36] :P [15:36] but slow :-) [15:36] * OctavianX has joined #idgtalks [15:36] unless you need it sooner, but this way he will be around to serve both our needs for a few more turns. We are more than willing to send him back to you once the wines are connected. [15:36] bah... [15:36] * Octavian_X has quit IRC (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by OctavianX))) [15:36] They're planning on jumping the border as soon as they come out of anarchy... [15:36] so APO decied to do anarchy on turn 87? or still 86? [15:36] the sea north of us is an island [15:37] they're scouted it out... [15:37] oooo good to know [15:37] At the end of next turn, we go into anarchy. [15:37] are we next turn, or the one after, H? [15:37] we just wnat to pump out 1 more sword (done in 1 turn) [15:38] anything else? [15:38] * Friedrich looks at Heroic [15:38] He always remembers the stuff I forget [15:38] Sorry - distracted again [15:38] thinking [15:39] FP did you mention the contigencies for early attack? [15:39] * Togas has joined #idgtalks [15:39] yo [15:39] yeah, I told them we'd go IMMEDIATELY on sighting Anarchy or Masonry [15:39] howdy ho [15:39] Hooray - I can work again soon [15:39] and that we're ready to do so now [15:40] be nice if we could sucker them into anarchy [15:40] we will do what we can, but will not commit to startign our GA in anarchy. [15:40] no rush builds= good [15:40] yeah.....really nice [15:40] oh we understand [15:40] we wouldn't expect you to do so [15:40] if need be we'll just gobble the back cities we were asked to take care of and then go deal with our barbs. ;) [15:41] Hero- they're currency in 31, estimating "true" of 20 [15:41] oh dear [15:41] is it just me or are we looking at a few turns of dead research time? [15:41] even with Lit? [15:41] Depends - GA, anarchy, and so forth. [15:41] 20 even in republic? [15:41] We're running research near nil atm, iirc. [15:41] Well, we were full out on money, and in republic we will have massive unit support for a few turns. [15:42] ok.....that is goodto know [15:42] that will definately affect our build plans [15:42] yeah, I think we're going to have to plan to snag Literature. :/ [15:42] we have 1 scientist that is doing it all by himself. [15:42] keep encouraging the poor lad (scientist) [15:42] :-) [15:43] * OctavianX gets the whip out [15:43] :: ponder:: [15:43] that new city - you planning on squishing it? [15:43] Trust me, over here at the interior ministry, we have been badgering the poor man to hurry up. [15:43] The new city of CDG...the one on your road? [15:43] :grin: [15:43] ya. Hopefully it will gain a pop or two [15:44] yeah. we were a bit peckish about that. [15:44] so we can take it instead of just crushing it. [15:44] did we want to discuss naval options [15:44] they really, REALLY need to stop pricking the dragon [15:44] for ensuring CDG does not escape [15:44] ::Mutter:: [15:44] ?? [15:44] there's a fair concern [15:44] "Settler in a boat, adios!" [15:44] would be ugly for them to find a 1 tile island [15:44] we only have a couple of currachs, and they are far far away from them at this time. [15:45] and we still have that unaccounted-for boat of theirs that disappeared in the SE area. :/ [15:45] and then we would have to wait clear until marines [15:45] OK hangonasec [15:45] We have the sealanes thing sorted [15:45] ? [15:45] We have the time until anarchy sorted [15:45] yep [15:45] We are hoping they are trying to settle the landmass to your SE and not yet realizing it is connected (if they even have a settler out there that is). [15:45] We have to discuss exactly where each of us is attacking [15:46] ...and what would be a possible acceptable trade to CDG for MM [15:46] God - we're 99% sure they've circumnavigated the continent [15:46] Anything else? [15:46] I just want to keep things a little organised - some of you guys have to sleep sometime, I guess [15:46] CDG for MM!? [15:46] ::is lost:: [15:46] so plan is to attack as soon as APO emerges from anarchy....if no other contingencies happen [15:46] they've got it [15:46] yes Heroic [15:46] Yes. If we can get it, we may as well, unless we have to give them too much [15:46] Plan is to attack after we begin Republic [15:47] why? We can give it to you at any time [15:47] you told us to hold off. :P [15:47] Oh really? Whoops. Never mind that then [15:47] we stil need it, but will be getting it from PAL not CDG WIA [15:47] hehe [15:47] AH OK. Ignore me [15:47] we have Poly and Maps awaiting your call. [15:47] * WIA goes to do work for a while [15:47] We already do, WIA. :p [15:48] yes, we want currachs to be able to upgrade [15:48] Personally I'd rather just give it to you to keep the boards between us clear and straight at all times - that's our way - but since you said not to.. ;) [15:48] Regarding CityWithNoName ... we could take it, but it would be the last city to fall. I would prefer that PAL send a few horses to nab it, but if you don't have the resources to do so, we'll double back and take it. [15:49] I know, but the ability to upgrade and our financial strength is to our benifit. [15:50] Also, we still have a few warriors in the queue, so if we get any techs now, we loose them. [15:50] we also view it as a latter city to fall....... i think [15:50] yeah. [15:50] if we don't, I'll straighten the MoW out. :P [15:50] the capital is the win/lose point [15:51] though I don't think "lose" is likely. heh [15:51] We have enought to take them out ourselves. So do you. so I doubt there will be much left over. [15:51] Well, I think we're done if you are. We're going to have to figure out how to jigger things with Currency running as it is [15:51] Gold. Lots of gold. [15:52] yeah, except YOU have Currency. ;) [15:52] you'll just have to be patient [15:52] Thanks there, Dad. [15:52] :D [15:53] :/ [15:53] * WIA waves his rattle [15:53] we'll see what can be done [15:53] So, do you want bonehed back after we road the grapes? [15:54] lol.....i'm and interior person.....I never complain at more workers/slaves :-) [15:54] we certainly have plenty for them to do [15:54] and the demand will grow once the pointy building is done [15:54] Lots of swamp to clear [15:55] we will certainly welcome his return [15:55] As for borders... I did some work towards this, but I'm afraid to say with jury duty, catching up and now a flu I haven't got it to the point of starting up a real discussion. Sorry. [15:55] BUT I have started. I will send you the figures I have when I can [15:55] the border thing needs to be argued. It's a sore spot that remains unresolved for both of us. [15:55] Will do. we will hook up the extra grape and then send him your way. [15:56] Indeed. [15:56] I gotta find my notes first >_< [15:56] how large are these islands APO has discovered? [15:56] We've found one with, what? 4 tiles? [15:56]