Session Start: Sat Sep 13 15:31:09 2003 Session Ident: #civ3dem [15:31] * Now talking in #civ3dem [15:31] * Topic is 'Welcome to the Apolyton Civ 3 SPDG channel.' [15:31] * Set by BigFree on Thu Sep 11 09:52:00 [15:32] Won't be 20 mins late then :D [15:32] * BigFree sets mode: +o Makahlua [15:32] :D [15:32] put off groceries until tomorrow [15:33] Heh. Now there's dedication! :) [15:34] * BigFree is now known as BigFree|SPDG3_TurnChat [15:35] The SPDG is getting reeady to have its turn chat, come on by if you are interested. [15:35] * Togas has joined #civ3dem [15:35] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Togas [15:36] * NuclearisWinterius has joined #civ3dem [15:36] hello all [15:36] Hello. [15:37] * Makahlua waves [15:38] better review my orders :o [15:40] * WhiteBandit has joined #Civ3Dem [15:40] * ChanServ sets mode: +o WhiteBandit [15:40] good day :D [15:40] * NuclearisWinterius has quit IRC (Quit: ) [15:45] and will - I haven't watched my sat. cooking shows for inspiration yet either ^_^ [15:46] Hehe.. true dedication to the post then. :D [15:46] that's what VCR's are for :) [15:46] Good point. :) [15:47] * Trip has joined #Civ3Dem [15:48] * WilliamOsborne goes into lurking and learning mode. [15:49] * Trip whips WilliamOsborne a little with a George Foreman grill [15:50] * WhiteBandit does the "Yay! Trip is here!" dance [15:50] :P [15:50] President #1 has arrived ;) [15:50] * WilliamOsborne parries the strike with his own George Foreman grill! [15:50] and now, I idle :P [15:50] I'd be doing other things if I had any choice ;) [15:51] * WhiteBandit sighs [15:51] everytime i try to run for president, MrWIA runs [15:51] so i figure i might as well stop doing it [15:52] haha [15:52] then run for VP, and send him a virus or some new hardware to mess his machine up ^_^ [15:53] or just get lucky like me :O [15:53] that's the secret of the business it seems [15:53] so who is this Makahlua character anyways? ;) [15:53] champion lurker :D [15:53] and ACDG player :) [15:53] ahhh, I see [15:54] haha [15:54] that's what i ended up doing for SPDG2! [15:54] VP ;) [15:55] I lurked after the first 2 months :P [16:00] It's time [16:00] * Jonny1 has joined #civ3dem [16:00] * BigFree|SPDG3_TurnChat is now known as BigFree [16:01] * BigFree sets mode: -n [16:01] * ChanServ sets mode: +n [16:02] hi all [16:02] * Makahlua loads save [16:02] heya [16:05] ok, everyone awake? :lol: [16:05] no ;) [16:05] didn't think so :) [16:05] Somewhat. :) [16:05] what... huh? u say something? ;) [16:05] * pAnAg has joined #civ3dem [16:06] alrighty, moving settler 8 - which way for the scouts? [16:07] correction, scout :p [16:07] 1 for the scout [16:07] wait, are we still on 3550 BC? or have we already done one turn? [16:08] still on 3550 [16:08] scout cant move till next turn [16:08] yea, scouts have both moved [16:08] oops, 3500 since i moved the settler one [16:09] hmm? [16:09] you didnt move settelr 8 [16:09] yeah it was aved with only the settler having a move left [16:10] right [16:10] be sure to turn auto-end turns off, if you haven't already [16:10] * Makahlua does that [16:10] so, did you move the settler 8 or 1? [16:10] 8 on the keypad [16:11] good [16:11] lets end turn now, and then discuss whether to keep building the scout [16:12] and just traded WC for CB+10g as the consensus was in the trade thread [16:12] right [16:12] ok so we're at the start of 3500, and lost the furtherout scout as anticipated [16:13] NA has 1 turn left on the scout, can switch to arrior to be finished in the same time [16:13] Move existing scout 1-4 [16:13] i say change asgard to warrior, IMO [16:14] I second the Warrior [16:14] * Makahlua nods [16:15] scout saw more coastline, and some cows/wheat acrass the bay [16:15] so, scout 1-4? [16:15] yep [16:15] a suggestion: whenever you actually do something in-game, say it in bold or in a different color so we can tell it apart from other talking [16:15] just to prevent confusion [16:16] okay :) [16:16] I will put my orders in blue [16:16] * Madcaptn has joined #civ3dem [16:16] started yet? [16:16] where are we at [16:16] worker is free - what square and improvement next? [16:16] yep [16:17] i say worker 4, to work the other grassland shield [16:17] only tp 3500 - newbie at the chat helm :D [16:17] you guys only made 1 move yet? [16:17] Damn, NM is not around [16:18] yes, only one turn complete [16:18] what did you guys move [16:18] settler 8 ? [16:18] yep [16:18] and what other moves [16:18] and scout 1-4 [16:18] and then we traded WC to Isabella for CB+10g [16:18] that's it so far, deciding on worker's next square to develop [16:18] There's another at 1 of New asgard, shielded grassland. Might put it closer to working a tile for the first city. [16:19] they killed our scout right? [16:19] I'd move the worker 4 [16:19] yes, scout is dead [16:19] Also, are we adopting the city build plan "4.5" [16:19] did you move settler another 8 ? [16:19] not yet, was saving that for last [16:19] ok [16:20] what are we gonna build at new asgard [16:20] warrior? [16:20] Warrior has my vote [16:20] by the look of the map right now [16:20] i think 1 scout is enough [16:20] i think there is a general agreement here for another warrior [16:20] Yes, i think we are on an island [16:20] not to forget he'll meet the barbarian, we'll need to be cautious [16:20] yes, maybe only one move per turn for the scout [16:21] build at NA cahnged to warrior [16:21] i think moving worker 4 would be good, he could mine or something [16:21] that way he can back out [16:21] then whats the point of having that scout , ...... [16:21] use the wriior to explore [16:21] warrior [16:22] panag, we didn't expect Barbs to be around this early [16:22] expect ? [16:22] The map Makers put them in ahead of time [16:22] we could keep moving him two, and bring the warrior up behind him to kill that barb? [16:22] you should always be prepared [16:22] especially on this level [16:22] who knew what the Map Makers did [16:22] dont use that scout for now [16:23] the scout we have right now should maybe hang around till we get a warrior, dunno [16:23] cuz we need to get rid of the barb [16:23] thats why you should have been prepared , ........ ;) [16:23] whatever [16:23] we can draw him back next turn to the new city site until he can be escorted [16:23] who thinks worker should go 1 1 [16:23] what " whatever" ? [16:23] the scout can be free to move one tile per turn without danger [16:24] lop naar de pomp [16:24] * WilliamOsborne raises hand to Madcaptn's suggestion. [16:24] worker can go either 1-1 or 4 [16:24] doesn't matter [16:24] ill change my nick cuz i get confused between myself and makahlua [16:24] * Madcaptn is now known as Argos [16:24] 1-1 might be good, can start raoding toward the new city [16:24] cities planned at distance of 4.5 wont reach it [16:24] yes that's my plan [16:24] i think we should build our 2nd city one spot 8 [16:25] i say 1-1 [16:25] so we got 4.5 distance [16:25] yes [16:25] * Will has joined #civ3dem [16:25] worker moving 1-1 [16:25] yo yo yo [16:25] and the scout might go 4 and if he sees nothing, he stays there [16:25] The new city will be 2-2-2 of NA [16:26] Yes, that is my plan Argos [16:26] settler moved 8 to new city site [16:26] end turn? [16:26] ok anything else before end turn? [16:26] um [16:26] dunno [16:26] nope [16:26] end turn [16:26] we still can't trade stuff i think [16:27] Spanish have Alphabet [16:27] yeah i don't think we'd have anough for alphabet, tho [16:27] yep, but we have only 37 gold [16:27] alpha was too expensive [16:27] but now we know that the mountain hut is really an island, it doesn't look like there's a connection to the land [16:27] True :D [16:28] end turn then :) [16:28] have you tried to get alep ? [16:28] alphabet ? [16:28] I'll check right now [16:28] They'd be insulted by our 37 gold :p [16:28] it won't work [16:28] yes panag, they wanted Engineering for it [16:29] :-/ [16:29] there insulted even by our 40 gold and 3 gpt [16:29] and , ........... ? [16:29] they want warrior code for alphabet [16:29] and pottery and a lot of other stuff [16:29] good trade [16:29] so , .............. [16:29] we already gave them warrior code earlier [16:29] you gave them for what [16:29] i missed that [16:29] 40g + the 3 g is everything we got so.....no deal :/ [16:29] we already did the CB+10g for WC deal [16:29] * mrmitchell has joined #civ3dem [16:30] 4w350m3 d00d [16:30] ok [16:30] build new city first? [16:30] sure [16:30] what's the name? [16:30] ok, what will we name it? [16:31] Valhalla! Assuming I spelled that correctly. :D [16:31] I was thinking the same thing! :o [16:31] I could care les about the name [16:31] how bout West Madrid? [16:31] just something intelligible [16:31] lol [16:32] OurBananasAreTrained2Kill :P [16:32] i like Valhalla, stick to the viking theme IMSHO [16:32] * BigFree slaps Jonny1 around a bunch with a large green donkey dick! [16:32] oops [16:32] wedontwanttobuildsupercity [16:32] yea go Valhalla i guess [16:32] meant that for Tirp [16:32] haha [16:32] * BigFree slaps Trip around a bunch with a large green donkey dick! [16:32] haha [16:32] gotya [16:32] * Makahlua shakes head at silly Viking citizens D: [16:32] ok Valhalla it is then [16:32] * Jonny1 slaps BigFree with a big trout [16:33] Valhalla founded 3450 BC! [16:33] cool [16:33] build warrior I assume? [16:33] we should road with the worker [16:33] yes, build warrior [16:33] yeah warrior [16:34] Move scout 4 [16:34] and the citizen in Valhalla is working on the cattle, no? [16:34] yea warrior, road with worker, scout goes 4 if he sees nothing, stay there [16:34] that's my suggestions [16:34] yes citizen is on the cattle [16:34] scout 4 ? [16:34] we need to name the Warrior in NA [16:35] Scout 4 [16:35] we move it 4 ? [16:35] mak [16:36] scout 4, no sign of barb on mts, looks like river delta near [16:36] um [16:36] worker builds road now? [16:36] i think the scout can move again [16:37] actually no [16:37] i vote for the scotu to stay there [16:37] when I move scout to 4, he sees BArb 8 of him [16:37] 8 bars? [16:37] not on my screen [16:37] why do you not see that [16:37] on the plains? [16:37] im pretty sure the barb is on the mountain [16:38] cuz that`s where our 2nd scout was when he got killed [16:38] i'm standing on the wheat [16:38] me too [16:38] yea, my scout is on the wheat, no barb in sight [16:38] In my game, when you move the scout 4 on the keypad, there's a Barb Warrior in kep ad direction 8 of our scout. [16:38] .. [16:38] are you on the wheat? [16:38] i dont see that... hmm... [16:38] yes, Im on the wheat [16:39] wellthat's freaky....... [16:39] i really don't see any barb, that's why i say we leave our scout there [16:39] the 1/1000 chance the ai used a brain? [16:39] Way to go random Barb movement! :) [16:39] odd, you do have the latest patch? [16:39] yes, 1.27 [16:39] Im posting a screen now [16:39] this is really for the forums, but are barb actions partially random? [16:40] oh, the game is in 1.21, that what i'm using [16:40] Using 1.27 as well... don't see it on mine. [16:40] but i'm using 1.27, and i don't see it... [16:40] me too and i dont see him [16:40] the plot thickens O.o [16:40] all that matters is what the official save shows [16:40] http://apolyton.net/upload/files/BigFree/SPDG33500BC.jpg [16:40] Ah well, President's game trumps. [16:41] um wow [16:41] true [16:41] president's game [16:41] Makahlua, maybe you should upload a current save so we can all get to the same place again [16:41] basically mak should save and send to bigfree i guess heh [16:41] yea [16:41] ok hang on :) [16:41] yes [16:42] There were two different saves posted I guess [16:42] someone wasn't playing alon exactly as the others [16:42] lol [16:42] just save the 3450 turn, then post it on Apolyton [16:43] or it could be because mak has the 1.21 version [16:43] maybe [16:43] http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Makahlua/ChiefApolytonoftheVikings3450BC.SAV [16:43] but we don't see the barb and we have 1.27, only bigfree sees him and he's also 1.27 heh [16:44] There were 2 versions of the save, one was the unofficial, and later the official was posted... [16:44] got it [16:44] so i think our Scout shouldn't move [16:44] till next turn [16:44] right, keep himn there [16:44] end turn for scout(use space bar) [16:44] * Jonny1 loads new sace [16:45] *save [16:45] our worker should Road [16:45] agreed [16:45] scout skips rest of turn [16:45] worker roads [16:45] and i vote for our warior to go 2 until Valhalla warrior is created [16:46] and you guys wanted to name him too, right? [16:46] if we turn science up to 90%, we can get BW in 23 turns instead of 31 [16:46] we should play with the slider at each end of a turn , ....... [16:47] i think oru warrior should go 2 because if the barb comes in Valhalla's sight, he'll be 2 tiles away [16:47] not enought for our warrior to be built, and not enough for W1 to protect valhalla [16:47] Lets name the Warrior in NA "OctavianX" [16:47] * Togas is now known as TogasAWAY [16:48] OctavianX fortifies in NA [16:48] you sure? [16:48] not much for him to do [16:48] it will take our warrior 3 turn to get to valhalla if we see the barbs coming [16:48] warrior named OctavianX [16:49] where do you think the Barb war could be? [16:49] but it's nly 5 turns till that warrior in Val is ready [16:49] closest is 3 turns fron Vahalla [16:49] well if we see a barb 2 tiles away from vahalla [16:49] if we move him 2,1, he may be able to intercept the barb, since he'll most likely come from the west [16:50] cuz it's possible that the barb could appear 2 tiles about from vahalla at some point [16:50] It would not hurt to move Warrior 2 of NA [16:50] NA grows next turn they could proabaly have another ready y the time OctX reaches Val [16:50] Move Oct 2 [16:50] yea if we move oct 2 [16:50] then he can get to valhalla in 2 turns [16:50] which is enough to protect from 1 move units such as the barb [16:50] just my suggestion [16:51] moving OctX 2 [16:51] i say we move him all the way to valhalla, by the time he gets there NA will have another warrior done [16:51] that's what i was thinking :) [16:51] yea well he should be at least 2 tiles away from NA i guess [16:51] i'll check for trades.. [16:52] ok, now about the slider? [16:52] what do we do with sliders? [16:52] no trades [16:52] keep it where it is [16:52] get gold to possibly but alphabet [16:52] *buy [16:52] yea the main plan was to leave it at 20% i think [16:52] and buy techs [16:52] can't remember [16:53] yeah we;d lose quite a bit of income for those turns [16:53] I have to leave in 10 minutes [16:53] WB? [16:53] yo yo [16:53] end turn? [16:53] ? [16:53] can you take over for me? [16:53] but remember that gold can be plundered by barbs... [16:53] eh... i'm painting our dining room at the moment :( [16:53] ok, thanks [16:54] sorry [16:54] what color? [16:54] np [16:54] we're the vickings we're the ones plundering [16:54] end turn [16:54] aha! there's the barb [16:54] barb sighting on gem mountain [16:54] i dont see him [16:54] let me download theother save brb [16:55] 4 turns from Valhalla, good thing OCTX is heading that way [16:55] 2 again for OctX? [16:55] definetly [16:55] OctX mves 2 [16:56] the scout, 1? [16:56] no [16:56] nbo [16:56] no [16:56] OctX goes back to NA [16:56] k im up to date [16:56] err [16:56] happiness [16:56] you sure? [16:56] oh [16:57] move scout 9 [16:57] barb can take valhalla over [16:57] Barbs tend to wander [16:57] ok [16:57] not a straight line [16:57] ill wait for mak's decision heh [16:57] Scout wil provid diversion [16:58] but mak has already said to move OctX 2, we can't go back and change it... [16:58] jonny: we're on the other turn [16:58] we can make him go back [16:58] if the barb makes 1 bad move [16:58] we'll have our warrior in valhalla before he reaches it [16:59] and NA has an entertainer, i think he'd be better on the tile that the worker is working on? [16:59] dunno [16:59] NA will then have to lose a WF [16:59] hold on, i'm confused: are you in 3400 BC? [16:59] WF ? [16:59] raise luc to ten percent [17:00] yea 3400 BC [17:00] WF=WorkForce or Laborers [17:01] you guys in 3400 right? [17:01] im confused [17:01] yes [17:01] who calls the moves [17:01] argos: the warrior has already moved this turn, so we can't tell him to go back [17:01] bigfree or mak [17:01] yeah, but i did move the war too soon :( [17:01] im in 3400 and i can move the war [17:01] Argos, I'm the SMC, I give orders for all Military moves [17:02] ahhh ok [17:02] Mak plays the turns [17:02] and make decisions for people when they are not here [17:02] so where is our war right now [17:02] Trip will be taking over for me [17:02] mine is 1 tile below NA [17:02] Mine is there also [17:02] Mak may have moved it though [17:03] yeha i did :? [17:03] :/ [17:03] [18:56:26] OctX goes back to NA [17:03] np [17:03] mak you moved it where [17:03] 2 [17:03] np [17:03] we can move it backj next urn [17:03] k ill move it 2 then [17:03] and when mak did so did 1 [17:03] so if he moved it 2 [17:03] lux slider is neede though now [17:03] on the off chance the barb -does- havea brain.... [17:03] its 1 tile above valhalla? [17:03]