Start of #CyCon buffer: Tue Nov 18 01:59:22 2003 * Now talking in #CyCon * Impaler[WrG] has joined #cycon hello Worked! good I will go send Lauritus a PM Cool ok so what else do you want to know We plan to go in with just the one Impact Cruiser? no we have Impact Marines being made and we will use a transport to bring them with Hmm, that Unity Chopper would be useful to scout out the West coast in case they send anything And we will infiltrate with some of our probe teams But it belongs to Sister Miriam So Pi Square will build the Cruiser and then a Transport? Whoops! and it hasent moved sinse I got here 5 turns ago Actualy I belive Aurora will start on the transport next turn So we will be rushing it? It has a cost of 40 and only 5mins per turn I dont belive were rushing anything yet, the build up will still take a few more turns let me see if I can find the official plan its a rather detailed plan the Drouge made Check the First page of the "CyCon - Peace war Preperations thread Drouges plan is a bit below the maps Am looking... Who did the maps come from? Who ever posted them their patched together from screen shots when we had a Pact with PEACE Ah I see. A problem with the plan - there is supposed to be a forest at Aurora next turn, but in 2145 it says it will take 2 more turns as you can see we are about half way their well their have been deviations Manic was thinking of using Zetaris for war production as of its soon to be high mineral output Also their is the question of Hive Govenorship and access to infiltrator info we have tenativly discussed forming a Triumvarate with the Hive and Drones Getting the Hive elected Govenor and then the Hive supplying us with inteligence on PEACE but this has stalled due to a changing of the Guard in the Hive and inactivity on the part of our External Affairs function A LAZY guard by the looks of it. I dont belive the previous Hive leadership fully shared what we told them with the rest of the Hive so its a triky situation The hive also gifted us the Universities com link but asked that we not contact them untill they had secured Ecological Enginering so far we have keept our word, but were growing impatient we can give the Hive the last com link which would alow them to call the council * laurentius has joined #CyCon So what are we asking for? An alliance with the Drones and us that amounts to them giving us inflitration info on all civs? we could also call the Council ourselves hey their hello Got him! :D who? yes something along thouse lines You. oh :) I am bringing Mr up too speed on the political situation *blushes* with regards to our potential aliance with the Hive and Drones I think I am not actually very up tp date on it either oh :) :( wait! I was hoping for some help/confirmation incase I had missed any important details * laurentius remebers seeing a thread about it somewhere well thats a start sadly i wont be very helpfull before i've catched up in the cycon forum oh and another thing, this whole thing has not even been mentioned to the Drones Hmm... do we have an ambassador to them> no we just have a single External Affairs function I belive only the Hive has gone to the trouble of apointing Ambasadors for individual factions so should we do that? too Um I dont belive we have enough people well maybe we would need 4 well... but do we have 4 people to spair? I dont think so um, true.. Hey can one of you change your text color so I can tell ya apart easier so how many active players do we exactly have? well lets see out of 18 members..I know i havent been very active Theirs Prime Function Drouge he's got a new job and has missed playing a few turns Theirs Second Functin Manic who has played thouse turns drouge missed 4 Can do, if a little annoying to do a lot Correlion is Internal Affairs Function and he's been inactive latly also Then theirs Death By the Sword who is external Affairs Function also rather inactive yes, go on All this has happened very resently Activity level was quite a bit Higher just 2 weeks ago so I think it will rebound Wow - just before I joined, IIRC yes it was about that time Typical :) Right now I seem to be the most active Function I stick to Internal Affairs as I am not a big War-Monger oh yes, the new oblast virus uploaded by the university has been slowing us other functions a bit tell me about your play styles im not a war monger either i like very carefully planned end game wars and much espionage in between so my emphasis has always been on a good defence and strong alliances I am not very experienced with espionage my self, though I agree its critical, I get it by Govenorship but thats not an option here So we will have that Laser Cruiser, a Transport with Probe team and Impact Marines and an Impact Cruiser to start with well that sounds ok The laser Cruiser is comited to exploration I belive In the plans it will be back to take cities if need be. we are going to be relying on our tecnology edge It can get there by about 2149 later on i love the concept of building missile-spy or copter spy we have an edge? We gotta get that HS Algorithm... I like Foil Probes too We get +2 Labs Imagine if we got to Cybernetic... * MrWhereItsAt drools I love Cybernetic yes we have Non Linear Mathematics :D haha the pirates have nothing better then synthmetal ok, so is there any tech we could barter ? we have been doing tec trading That too. Do they have lasers? I am not shure Peace has contacted ALL factions so they could get it They have not called council so they can play all the other factions off each other and trade stuff to everyone oh I so need to download that save when i get home yes definatly have a look at it I feel really outside otherwise whats the last turn you looked at questions like how much energy credits we have or how many turns to the next breakthrough just drive me nuts in here Impaler.. we have around a hundred credits I havent ever looked a the saved game.. around 10 turns to breakthrough k thanks :) oh no wonder you dont partispate in the internal affairs thread yeah i just thought to read everything thru before participating in and so i forget it.. and days went by.. well interanaly is ware I have a bit of disagreement with how things are being run so far I tend to be nutrient centered 120 EC, 13 turns until Ethical Calc yes.. out of 15 turns per tech right now everyone else seems mineral centered right That makes sense until we have buitl up SOME defenses and crawlers I want us to build Recycling tanks and more farms/solar panals crawlers? Then we can shift crawlers to food if we want for a few turns, then back. are they allowed? Yep ok They are there oh yes and we are making extensive use of them ok, so the fundamental question is...population or base improvements/units? well I dont like our slow population growth I say the population will make up most of the minerals the Forest offers but shouldnt we have enough base improvements before the first drone riots appear When going for a war, mins first. When we are done and have some defensive units and maybe 1-2 crawlers per base switch to food I think is fair MWIA: i agree true I rairly take a war stance this early in the game Hang on - why is there a Doctor in Pi Square? It doesn;t need it for happiness, and we gain so much (tehre is a forest) A forest on nuts no less! but it is logical given our overwelming tec advatage is that Doc preventing a Riot? Nope I think he resently Was then and hasent been sent back to work so, take him out? Hang on a sec - I reloaded to check and there was no Doctor, but we have a worker on a 1food, 1 energy tile when there's a 1/2/2 tile make a not of it and post it hummm I dont personaly remember anything like that oh for christ sake! And a similar thing in Logic Loop... what base I just reloaded, so I don;t know what to say... Pi Square re-extract from the Zip who has done all that? to make shure its not something you acsidently did when looking at it OK, will go back to the zip on Poly But the relaod form the untouched save gave those... let me go get mine opened up too brb This is the presend, BTW * Impaler[WrG] has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) * Impaler[WrG] has joined #cycon I invited Phenoix too Something's weird - I get different worked tiles every time I reopen the save... What version are we using? I have release 1.0 SMAX, 12 sep '99 ok one thing it noticed I am not shure of the version I see use as Morgan for some odd reason too That could lead to a difference, but I thought there were no patches for SMAX Yikes! but besides that I have never noticed workers get moved around like you describe I wonder if this is a result of someone playing with a hack... But that's pretty major * Phenix has joined #Cycon i just saw googlies last reply in the turn reports thread hi guys hi phenx Hi Phenix Hey Laurentius what country are you from? just read your pm impaler =) finland same for you Phenix the country? your accounts just say EU belgium :) you? cool I think we span the entire globe tonight i first had the belgian flag, but the EU looks much better... where are you from impaler? USA, Tucson Arizona to be specific So Impaler - you ahve us as Morgan, right? Including his benefits? no just our base arcitecture and color in every substantive way we are Cycon Oh, OK. You ARE using SMAX? yep yes yes infact I see all the other factions with incorect colors too me too this happens to me sometimes too so its just some mix up with the Art files doesn't really matter Well my errors might So impaler, maybe this is a dumb question, but i wanted to ask you what the WrG stands for? We rock Good? ;) ^^ ok I have the game open now oh that my Clan www.wraithguard.com ah which game? well originaly StarCraft CyCon turn 2145 they are into severl FPS now cool, played sc a lot too earlier ah wc3 too? I been a member for about 5 yeras now and the clans going on 9 years total Logic Loop is at 14 mins per turn, yes? nope no WC 3 Plan says 12... nice ANYWAY I was wondering Who generally plays the turns, I thought it was the prime function, but it seems that anyone can pick up the game if anyone else is not active enough. So my question is Could anyone just download the save and play a turn with of course consulting others first..or is that forbidden and only PF plays the turns and we just give him suggestions on how to play it. And furthermore How do you pass the saves to the other factions. yes 14 mins and the Prime Function is the one who "should" do the playing if he is unable/incapacitated Normally only PF will play, if he is unvailable, the second function will do it ok then the Second Function Manic dose it :) no one else is suposed ot play the turns but desisions are made democraticaly right ok, thanks so if their is a clear consensus they can not over-ride it atleast not if they want to win re-election naturally ;) Elections are Monthly by the way Start of the month?\ yes Just posted about 5 posts in the CyCon forum :) This month though most people were not chalanged for their seats Chats! This is the answer to inactivity... yes I like this Chat I hope we have more in the future This is terrific - will have to register a channel but this discussion is not very secure Password it etc. yes exactly ATM we know we are all OK. If anyone else comes in we would have to stop. yes but for tonight its ok the other factions might have bugs all around hehe OK, will post on it now - I have registered a room for the Civ3 DG before... And I can learn how to password from the ISDG guys ok I was hoping to get your support on a Base name and Placment issue * MrWhereItsAt is listening sry guys, was on the phone, the private chat seems a good idea * laurentius talks in the distance by himself do you know how the russians deal with bugs? I am proposing we place the Colony Pod from Mythical Matrix at 81/63 Corellion hasn't given orders yet? this will make it a "Canal" and thus the Base name should be "And Or Gate" Some wasted terrain there, but good access to bonuses No orders from Corelion, Manic has made some sugjestions, as he will likly play the turn as second function we should make sugjestion ofcorse Wow - that bonus resources on rocks + river are great! 7spt with a mine! sure that will likly get crawled so the energy will be wasted i don't think wasting some terrain is bad, we have more than enough terrain anyway and with the upcoming war we won't be building a lot of colony pods actualy I think we whouls keep 1 or 2 bases punping out pods to will in the long North Eastern Peninsula, its full of bonuses True - I keep thinking Civ3. We can always crawl the emtpy space, and inefficiency is not as bad and we dont want the Drones to think its Theirs yes indeed, i think we should make some arrangemet with the Drones *arrangement to define the borders as far as I know we are friendly with Drones, but theirs been little talk where they can place their pods and where they have to stop How about we ask that they respect the borders of our contiguous landmass, and we respect theirs, unless we are joined I think we should claim the whole of this land mass * laurentius talks by himself "the russians used to use ion cannos to deal with the bugs. They were obsessed with killing all the CIA bugs" yes we respect their Island too And any other empty island we discuss later the EAF should try to contact them to discuss this matter imho agreed now tell me again about that inapropriate Doctor you found ?? I will participate when I get the see the savegame, till thta bye bye I belive my worker placment are correct so I can confirm of deny it and get rid of that doc! ware again? Upon my last reload of the save it was not there. Am cery unsure what's happening. ware? what Base It was Pi Square, but not in my latest reload hmm * laurentius has quit IRC (Quit: taken home by the lords of the underworld) Pi Square has no Doctors in mine either It MAY have been because I double -click opened the base screen, but then I can;t repeat that ok I would like to direct your atention to Zetaris The hive claimed a while ago they can control in some way or another the secondary (bureaucracy drones) and send them over to other factions, maybe this has something to do with it too??? Call it my computer telling me it's tired until I see something more concrete LOL - go ahead Impaler I havent noticed anything out of the order so I think its a glitch I belive Zetaris should have some Recycling tanks next what do yall think Are you going to say that Crawler should be crawling the bonus mins? that what its on its way to do righ tnow that will give 3 mins So it can move and crawl at the same time? It's crawling from where it is in mine I have to go guys, shouldn't be online right now due to lots of work for school :/ when the mine is done it will bring in atlest 5 oh what time is it over their ? about 12.30 oh I C but i stayed home today because i'm sick :) bye OK, seeya Phenix! Thanks for showing up :) I work nights and its 5 AM here * Phenix has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) see ya again Half Past midnight here wait I though you in NewZealand? oh he ment 12:30 PM Yes and your 12 AM Yep. So that makes you 9 or so hours ahead of me I'm 19 hours ahead oh yes the Pacific is realy big aint it Well, you're only 5 hours ahead of me, but a day behind (dateline) no wait it aint THAT big yes thats it I think the West Coast of the US is only 3 hours ahead of me (and a day behind) ok well enough of that lets get back to the save Anyways, Tanks look good, but we can use the place for troops quickly if we really needed to. It's not worth it right now building another Ship there IMO, it would take too long to get to where we need it. next turn Zetaris should be pulling in 7 minerals new worker on the Forest plus 3 minerals from the bonus So the crawler can move and crawl same turn? it can move and then crawl ware it stops Wow - nice trick. That's a new one on me its a little tecniqe I didnt know either I don;t remember THAT from Vel's strat guide! I feel we need tanks cause that will help the growth DBTSverse Portal is ideal for Colony Pods - 6 turn growth AND 6 turn Pods surpluss Nuts will go down to 1 after the pop growth I agree with the Tanks At least until anything desperate emerges Well, 6 turn pods in Wealth, anyway But Portal is rather far for the Colny Pod to go from Foil from Zetaris after the Tanks? or Another Colny Pod for the east depends on how the War is progressing Tanks done within 4 turns of starting (hopefully 3), and then a foil in another 3 for transporting Pods East Sure, but worth remembering. Damn I see thier Building a Forest between Aurora and Matrix I will post the chatlog when we're done, if you don;t mind...? Yes, that's the one supposed to be done next turn. ok sound like a nice idea I would have gone with a farm their as its a rolling square well I guess they could use the Mins And it may eat some fungus. yes we do want to clear out that Fungus blob eventualy and plant a Base in the crater So the earlier we get forest there the better really. I wonder if its for Aurora to work ventually I guess we'll want forest at 74, 68 as well for that- gives room to expand and may eat fungus. The war plan says it IS for Aurora cause Aurora is just finishing Rec connoms and will have aditonal workers And MM will lose one pop with the Pod 74/68? Yep oh now I found it that spot might be better for an energy farm when we get Syntheic Fosil fuels we shoud make a Fungacidal former and start tearing into that Crater in genral I think we need more formers too what do you think?