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[09:38:26] * Rejoined channel #Slackers [09:38:29] [WhiteBandit] yeah [09:38:31] * Joins: Lucky (~trillian@p50882D3B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) [09:38:35] [WhiteBandit] i like to keep it interesting ;) [09:38:49] [Lucky] hi [09:39:12] [WhiteBandit] gimmie one second, updating togas [09:39:23] [Lucky] Master Zen is on as well, he could come, too [09:39:50] [Togas] Greetings [09:39:56] [Togas] I don't see MZ in any of our chat channels [09:40:12] [WhiteBandit] yeah i don't seen him on AIM either [09:40:34] * Disconnected [09:40:38] * Attempting to rejoin channel #Slackers [09:41:01] * Rejoined channel #Slackers [09:41:19] * Joins: Pggar (~Java_user@164.41.49.30) [09:41:23] [Lucky] he just came on on MSN [09:41:25] [Pggar] hello [09:41:27] [Lucky] or ICQ [09:41:32] [Lucky] ICQ [09:41:34] [Togas] ah :) [09:41:37] [Lucky] Iīll contact him [09:41:39] [Togas] get that punk to join us! [09:41:55] [Pggar] who's the punk? [09:42:17] [Lucky] Master Zen [09:42:29] [Lucky] foreign advisor of Poly? [09:42:32] [Lucky] or such [09:42:43] [WhiteBandit] deputy foreign affairs miniters [09:42:46] [WhiteBandit] minister too [09:42:54] [Lucky] ah well [09:42:58] [Lucky] same thing ;) [09:42:59] [Togas] MZ = Deputy FAM [09:43:04] [Togas] I'm the Minister of Foreign Affairs [09:43:24] [Lucky] ok, then he is your underling ;) [09:43:41] * Joins: MasterZen (~raguil@dup-200-66-232-159.prodigy.net.mx) [09:43:50] [Togas] true, to some extent. I see him more as my "closer" [09:43:52] [WhiteBandit] MZ! [09:43:57] [Pggar] cool, are we all here? [09:43:57] [MasterZen] hey ;) [09:44:04] [Togas] You awake? [09:44:05] [WhiteBandit] Pggar = History Buff? [09:44:15] [Pggar] nope, Pggar=Pggar [09:44:17] [Pggar] :d [09:44:19] [WhiteBandit] oh! gotcha [09:44:20] [MasterZen] me? of course, unless I happen to type in my sleep... [09:44:20] [WhiteBandit] hehe [09:44:21] [Pggar] :D [09:44:27] [WhiteBandit] MZ - can I get your ICQ #? :P [09:44:40] [MasterZen] 89301042 [09:44:53] [Pggar] I'm domestic advisor and ambassador to CDG [09:45:08] * Joins: HistoryBuff (History@atiu48yzy124a.ab.hsia.telus.net) [09:45:09] [MasterZen] I'm the domexican advisor to Apolyton [09:45:17] [Pggar] lol [09:45:22] [MasterZen] well at least according to WB [09:45:23] [WhiteBandit] haha [09:45:36] [HistoryBuff] MasterZen, what is your post anywya? [09:45:49] [MasterZen] Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister [09:45:52] [HistoryBuff] k [09:46:25] [Lucky] ok, shall we start? [09:46:35] [WhiteBandit] i'm ready [09:46:54] [HistoryBuff] im good [09:47:05] [Pggar] let's go!! [09:47:09] [Pggar] :D [09:47:15] [Lucky] ok [09:47:25] [Lucky] well, I asked for this meeting due to a single event [09:47:30] [Pggar] you need some smilies in this java room [09:47:34] [HistoryBuff] indeed [09:47:55] [Lucky] Elucidia has just crossed our border and attacked a civilian worker [09:48:01] [Lucky] without a reason or cause [09:48:10] [Lucky] without any declaration or other message [09:48:30] [Lucky] or any provocation at all [09:48:30] [HistoryBuff] yah, i was wondering why i found out about this war when WB told me. . . [09:48:53] [WhiteBandit] yup, evidentially it happened when CDG played their turn since it was after you guys had already played [09:49:11] [Pggar] I heard from HB, and I'm ambassador :confused: [09:49:13] [Lucky] in fact, we had a very tight relationship with CDG, almost what one would call an alliance [09:49:29] [Lucky] and an UN official NAP [09:49:48] [Lucky] which was clearly broken [09:49:56] [WhiteBandit] Pggar - have you tried contacting CDG at all since then? (not that it would matter I guess?) [09:50:16] [Lucky] well, Iīm in the process of writing a mail [09:50:25] [Lucky] but I have my doubts that it will really reach them [09:50:35] [Lucky] we have tried to talk to them for months now [09:50:43] [Lucky] but all we heard were excuses [09:50:48] [HistoryBuff] im gonna ask Elicidius about it now [09:50:54] [Lucky] I already did [09:50:58] [Lucky] unfortunately [09:51:07] [Lucky] while Elucidius is CDGs admin [09:51:12] [Lucky] he is not in the ISDG anymore [09:51:14] [HistoryBuff] ah [09:51:18] [Lucky] he was just as surprised as we are [09:51:21] [MasterZen] from my experience they take years to answer, even in peace... lol [09:51:23] [Lucky] probably even more [09:51:26] [HistoryBuff] then whgy are they called like, Elucidians? [09:51:35] [Togas] Lucky, you do recall that we warned you that CDG would attack. [09:51:35] [Lucky] well, itīs his site [09:51:39] [Lucky] of course [09:52:03] [Lucky] but at the same time the troubles on the other front started as well [09:52:06] [Lucky] or before that [09:52:08] [HistoryBuff] at that time Togas, CFC was also trwoing stuff at us in order to intimidate us though [09:52:20] [Togas] So you didn't believe it would happen? [09:52:32] [Lucky] no, we could believe it [09:52:36] [HistoryBuff] i thought it was a scam on CFC's part [09:52:38] [Lucky] but unfortunately [09:52:52] [Lucky] at this stage of the game, you cannot fight a 2 front war [09:52:56] [Lucky] or prepare for both [09:53:02] [Lucky] you have to choose one [09:53:06] [Pggar] it was the most probable course of action, but we couldn't leave CFC and theis bullines [09:53:07] [Lucky] or you will lose both [09:53:15] [Lucky] yes [09:53:15] [WhiteBandit] yeah [09:53:34] [Lucky] and of course we at least had an official NAP with CDG [09:53:40] [Lucky] and no treaty with CFC [09:53:50] [Lucky] and both threats were real and big [09:54:04] [Lucky] we chose CFC, and thatīs the end of the story [09:54:21] [Togas] I understand your desire to fight CFC, but it seems that right now CDG is a bigger threat. [09:54:30] [Lucky] of course [09:54:37] [Lucky] and we have to face [09:54:38] [Lucky] it [09:54:48] [WhiteBandit] not much you can do now though if your units are at the CFC front :-/ [09:54:53] [Lucky] yes [09:55:16] [Lucky] but we plan to be in a position to offer peace to CFC soon, if they want it [09:55:29] [HistoryBuff] lol [09:55:45] [HistoryBuff] god, if that fails. . . [09:56:03] [MasterZen] you understand that knowing CDG is at war with you, CFC might be more inclined to continue the struggle? [09:56:18] [Lucky] of course [09:56:22] [WhiteBandit] i'm sure CFC is aware of CDG's actions though, so I'm not sure they would be so willing to accept peace under the circumstances [09:56:27] [WhiteBandit] x-post with MZ [09:56:54] [Lucky] thatīs why we need to be in a position so CFC is inclined to accept the peace [09:57:21] [Lucky] but that is not the problem, the units fighting CFC cannot reach the other side of the world in any reasonable time anyway [09:58:43] [WhiteBandit] yup, i believe MZ came up with a guess of about 10 turns [09:58:51] [Lucky] it was less [09:59:08] [Lucky] at least less than what we expected [09:59:26] [Lucky] we have a favorable tech trade for them, to be finished in 10 turns [09:59:39] [Lucky] at least I though they might wait for that [10:00:14] [WhiteBandit] hmm [10:00:24] [WhiteBandit] what do you honestly think your prospects are at this point in tim? [10:00:25] [WhiteBandit] time [10:00:34] [Togas] Can you tell us exactly how big of a force you're facing? We're trying to determine how serious this is. [10:01:05] [Lucky] well, I would say it is the whole fricking army [10:01:21] [Lucky] they only have 1 or 2 defensive units in their cities left [10:01:25] [HistoryBuff] yah, they should have at least 2 more immortals out there though, might be meant for you [10:01:28] [Togas] how many units and what types? [10:02:08] [Lucky] the force that started hostilities consists of 5 immortals with support units [10:02:22] [Togas] what sorts of support units? [10:02:30] [Lucky] spearmen [10:02:34] [Togas] how many? [10:02:37] [Lucky] they donīt have any horse source [10:02:47] [HistoryBuff] one spearman [10:02:58] [Togas] that's good news [10:03:26] [Lucky] they concentrated on Immortals only as far as we can see [10:04:23] [Lucky] their "city defenses are as thin as firecrackers" or however it goes in Civ2 ;) [10:04:53] [Togas] interesting. I imagine CFC posesses a larger army than this. [10:05:06] [HistoryBuff] from what we see, CFC is jus retreating [10:05:44] [Lucky] naw [10:05:56] [Lucky] they are trying to lure is into a trap [10:05:57] [Lucky] ;) [10:06:38] [Lucky] but since Immortals count much in the military rating, yes, CFC has more units we think [10:06:41] [MasterZen] I suggest you do the same to CDG... Immortals are a pain to take out without a good plan [10:06:54] [HistoryBuff] no, no Lucky. If we tell everyone that CFC is losing, and then we tell that to CFC enough, maybe they will believe it anc surrender :p [10:06:59] [Togas] immortals are slow and have lousey defensive values [10:07:10] [WhiteBandit] yeah [10:07:15] [MasterZen] if you can get the immortals on open ground you have a good chance even with archers [10:07:28] [Lucky] yes, but 5 immortals are still a pain [10:07:31] [MasterZen] just don't let them get on those mountains [10:07:37] [Lucky] with more in the back hand [10:08:03] [Togas] if they come in waves, you'll be able to hold them off. The greatest threat is a massive, unstoppable stack. [10:08:24] [Pggar] 5 immortals are quite a stack [10:08:28] [Lucky] but the question is, can you and/or do you want to help us in any way? [10:08:49] [Lucky] we know that you consider CDG a threat as well [10:08:58] [Lucky] and if you ever planned to attack them [10:09:04] [Lucky] now is the best chance you will get [10:09:20] [Lucky] if not, they will probably seal you in and attack you later [10:09:21] [Togas] Apolyton is torn, but the majority of the team does not want to get involved at this time. However, I cannot say we won't change our minds. We're willing to consider it. [10:09:34] [Pggar] you'll have a civ with no fast units and in a 2 front war [10:09:45] [Lucky] furthermore [10:09:48] [Lucky] or better [10:10:00] [Lucky] another thing [10:10:10] [Pggar] with all their units in the other front [10:10:29] [Lucky] threatening CDG with an attack might be even enough for us to consolidate [10:10:34] [Lucky] maybe they will think it over [10:11:04] [Lucky] when is 3 EST? [10:11:25] [WhiteBandit] 5 hours [10:11:30] [MasterZen] 2 hours [10:11:33] [Pggar] I got go, hope you make us less dead :D [10:11:34] [WhiteBandit] oh [10:11:37] [Pggar] see ya [10:11:38] [WhiteBandit] im thinking 3 my time [10:11:39] [WhiteBandit] right. [10:11:40] [WhiteBandit] :P [10:11:47] * Quits: Pggar (~Java_user@164.41.49.30) (Quit: Leaving) [10:12:17] [HistoryBuff] i have to go too [10:12:19] [HistoryBuff] cya [10:12:21] * Quits: HistoryBuff (History@atiu48yzy124a.ab.hsia.telus.net) (Quit: ) [10:12:35] [Lucky] 2 hours, good [10:13:09] [Togas] I know you guys want us to attack, but it seems that if we just up and break our NAP with CDG, we'd be no better than them. We'd be equally scum. We'd sink to their level. [10:13:23] [Lucky] we know [10:13:48] [Lucky] but maybe just threatening them could be enough [10:13:54] [MasterZen] two wrongs don't make a right [10:13:58] [Togas] threatening to break our NAP with them? [10:14:18] [WhiteBandit] regardless, they probably wouldn't respond to an email anyway :P [10:14:39] [MasterZen] last e-mail I sent them was over a week ago and no response :P [10:14:45] [Lucky] we would like you to at least send a message that you see this devious action in a very critical way [10:15:16] [Togas] I think we'll definately send them a message. Them breaking their word to you means that their word to us isn't very trusted. [10:15:25] [Lucky] and maybe that you have to reconsider current and future diplomatic interaction with them [10:15:27] [Lucky] or such [10:15:33] [Lucky] yes [10:15:52] [Togas] I know Apolyton is going to think carefully before we put any trust in them in the future [10:16:11] [Lucky] that would be great, maybe a hint of a possible attack could deter them enough [10:16:16] [Togas] and I know that we certainly won't help them or support them in this betrayal [10:16:33] [Lucky] we donīt ask you to join this war, although that might even be in your best interest [10:16:48] [Lucky] but diplomatic pressure could be just as good [10:17:20] [Togas] We hope it can help. We're a little pessimistic after our efforts failed to stop the war between you guys and CFC, though :( [10:17:28] [MasterZen] they might very well ignore us... like they do at the moment... [10:17:44] [Lucky] yes, but they know you are much stronger at the moment as well [10:18:30] [Lucky] and they probably know that you will not just sit and look while they and/or CFC settle the vast majority of the continent [10:18:33] [Togas] perhaps ... I'm going to ask our leaders about the possibility of a warning to CDG, warning them against taking this too far. [10:18:49] [Lucky] also, Iīd like to officially ask you to complete the first part of our tech trade, i.e. Myst [-] HBR [10:18:59] [Lucky] that would well be within our tech trade treaty [10:19:13] [Lucky] and it could help a little to fight off this unprovoked attack [10:19:39] [Togas] Officially, our deal was to give both techs after both are completed. [10:19:51] [Togas] However, given the circumstances, I'll ask our team to make an exception [10:19:58] [Lucky] we have to trade you Mysticism in advance anyway [10:20:19] [Lucky] without that trade to happen in the next turn, I fear the worst though [10:20:30] [Togas] We also need your permission to allow the Princess of Apolyton to temporarily travel through some of your sea borders [10:21:05] [Lucky] I will send Mysticism over on the the in game diplo table [10:21:10] [Lucky] -the [10:21:39] [Togas] gotcha. We will ask our Consuls to consider the exception and do a partial trade next turn. [10:22:35] [Togas] Will you allow our ship to travel through your coastal cultural borders? [10:22:49] [MasterZen] we promise not to steal your chickens [10:24:10] [Lucky] well, I can put that proposal to vote [10:24:57] [Lucky] but you might understand that after being pressed into a war on one side and betrayed on the other, we have to be extra careful to allow even more foreign units near our lands [10:25:31] [Togas] Hrm. [10:25:55] [Lucky] Iīm sure that my people will look favorable onto this envoy if your support is assured, i.e. the trade completion [10:26:09] [Togas] I know you're somewhat paranoid, but this one ship isn't going to hurt you. We're trying to get to the other side of the continent [10:26:11] [MasterZen] if we wanted to invade you we'd send more than one... ;) anyway, we can make a formal treaty if you want. We don't break treaties as you have seen [10:26:52] [Lucky] yes, you can send an official treaty over, or better an amendment to our treaty over and we will try to ratify it asap [10:27:05] [Togas] good. We'll send it over today. [10:27:09] [Lucky] we donīt want your sailors to die of boredom ;) [10:27:22] [MasterZen] as long as there are chickens to steal, we won't ;) [10:28:15] [Lucky] sorry, chickens are out at the moment [10:28:24] [Lucky] Elucidia killed them all :S [10:28:34] [Lucky] now if that ainīt a reason to attack them!!! :D [10:31:57] [Togas] We'll send you the amendment to the NAP shortly, how long will it take to ratify it? [10:32:17] [Lucky] a day or two probably [10:32:45] [Togas] OK. Hopefully that won't slow things down too much. [10:33:01] [Lucky] yes, but that is not a decision I can make alone [10:33:15] [Togas] My team will wait to see how that goes, and if that goes through we'll be happy to do the early tech swap. [10:34:04] [Lucky] hmm, we do need the tech swap next turn if we want to have any advantage by it at all, though [10:34:12] [Lucky] and as I said before [10:34:22] [Lucky] my people are kind of paranoid [10:34:55] [Lucky] and tech treaties possible of fulfillment not being fulfilled might tilt the vote [10:35:12] [Lucky] so, if the tech trade can be fulfilled by ?tomorrow? [10:35:19] [Togas] It's like this: We're doing you guys a favor by changing the terms around. We'd like you to do us a favor by letting this one ship go through [10:35:40] [Lucky] or whenever the other teams decide to grant us the pleasure of playing their turn :S [10:35:47] [Lucky] we will switch [10:35:53] [Lucky] emm, agree [10:36:28] [Togas] cool. We'll send something over. Send it back to us ASAP. [10:37:14] [Lucky] I guess it should be with you by your next turn, i.e. the turn after the current one [10:37:25] [Lucky] before that I mean [10:37:51] [Togas] that should give us plenty of time. [10:38:50] [Lucky] are you planning on just scouting the coasts or do you want to discover possible passages as well? [10:39:10] [Lucky] if itīs the former, maybe we can agree on a map switch once you are done [10:39:15] [Togas] we hope to find new lands, of course. We believe there might be some by CFC. [10:39:42] [Togas] You guys saw our WM. No new lands near us :( [10:39:53] [Togas] so we're on the hunt, see if we can't find other people and places. [10:40:19] [Togas] if we find someone, we'll let you know, and work out something for the new WM. [10:40:19] [Lucky] a warning though [10:40:40] [Lucky] we have at least 2 barb galley near our southern cape [10:40:45] [Lucky] roaming around together [10:41:02] [Lucky] it will be difficult to get through that [10:41:05] [Togas] thanks. We'll prepare the Princess for some rough waters. [10:41:14] [Togas] and pray that she makes it through. [10:41:25] [Lucky] so even we let you through she might not come far :S [10:41:43] [Lucky] how do you plan to cross CDGs waters though? [10:41:53] [Togas] we're working on that :/ [10:42:52] [Lucky] ah, so you need their permission first [10:43:00] [Lucky] well if you have that, youīll get ours [10:43:16] [Togas] :) [10:44:04] [MasterZen] we can steal some of their chickens and give them back to you [10:48:18] [Lucky] we might even need to do that abandon our cities :S [10:48:28] [MasterZen] Trip will tell you to raze your capital... [10:48:36] [MasterZen] btw, razing is better than letting them capture them ;) [10:48:37] [Togas] but seriously, don't let CDG keep your cities. Only thing worse than you guys getting beat up is CDG getting stronger [10:50:39] [Lucky] well, that might make it necessary for you to intervene ;) [10:50:54] [Togas] :P [10:50:56] [Togas] :) [10:51:01] [Lucky] but seriously [10:51:20] [Lucky] I can tell you about a suggestion CDG made [10:51:40] [Lucky] as I said, we not only had a NAP, but also almost what one could consider an Alliance [10:52:05] [Togas] then they REALLY stabbed you guys in the back. [10:52:07] [Lucky] since we are both small sites surrounded by "big bullies" (no offense) [10:53:15] [Lucky] so in the very beginning we agreed to work closely together and help repel any offense from you or CFC and even possibly help each other to exterminate the threat that you two "big Civ" sites could pose to us [10:53:31] [Lucky] since then, we of course learned to trust you [10:53:45] [Togas] :) [10:54:08] [Lucky] but we werenīt really turning any attention to you anyway, in military means, much more to the aggressive CFC [10:54:43] [Lucky] and CDG suggested that we take care of CFC and they do the same to you [10:54:56] [Lucky] so since recently, you were their primary target [10:55:07] [Togas] sounds like they set you guys up :( [10:55:14] [MasterZen] badly :( [10:55:22] [Lucky] only your quick increase of military power and of course your UU changed their intentions [10:55:25] [Togas] all the while they were negotiating a border AND a new longer NAP with us [10:55:38] [Lucky] yes [10:55:41] [WhiteBandit] which they'd just throw out the window anyway [10:55:42] [Lucky] after you got too strong [10:55:51] [Togas] very likely :/ [10:56:11] [Lucky] itīs only too likely that they had the revolution over this issue, to attack you or us [10:56:33] [WhiteBandit] i'm willing to bet that too [10:56:48] [Lucky] since their former? President Kentonio was rather trustworthy, at least I think so [10:57:02] [Lucky] but he seems gone [10:57:10] [Togas] the deal we negotiated was with Kentonio.... [10:57:24] [Togas] btw, we don't even know who their new leader is [10:57:30] [Lucky] we neither [10:57:39] [Lucky] anyway [10:58:04] [Lucky] Iīd like to ask you to relay this message to your people and officials as well [10:58:05] [Lucky] i.e. [10:58:26] [Togas] we'll rely it, and we'll also post this chatlog so they can read what you've told us. [10:58:28] [WhiteBandit] isn't it pesoloco? [10:58:39] * Joins: Trip- (~trip@12-211-215-245.client.attbi.com) [10:58:41] [Lucky] 1. We were attacked without provocation, reason or even an official declaration [10:59:15] [Lucky] 2. while we had an official NAP and also a more unofficial alliance, which they broke without even blinking [10:59:37] [Lucky] 3. they attacked our civilian population [10:59:41] [Trip-] so you've confirmed they're up to no good? :P [11:00:10] [Lucky] 4. they have always planned to attack you once the possibility was there [11:00:22] [Lucky] 5. unfortunately for us, this possibility never came [11:00:49] [Trip-] what would a "possibility" have been? :P [11:01:03] [Togas] Trip, hold back your questions, please. [11:01:15] [Lucky] 6. they have the majority of their units in or near our territory [11:01:28] [Lucky] 7. if you ever planned to attack them, now would be your best chance [11:01:48] [Lucky] 8. they are untrustworthy bastards ;) [11:01:50] [Lucky] ok [11:01:56] [Lucky] that should be all I think [11:02:04] [Lucky] about the possibility [11:02:06] [MasterZen] i like point 8 [11:02:14] [Togas] Point 8 is the strongest :) [11:02:14] [MasterZen] no-bullshit [11:02:24] [MasterZen] makes all the others actually quite irrelevant ;) [11:02:30] [Lucky] well, if you would have concentrated too much on settling maybe and not so much on military and defense [11:02:39] [Lucky] for too long [11:02:58] [Lucky] but your military rating was always equal or favorable to you [11:02:59] [Togas] BE SURE that this gets reported to the UN. I recall reading about "honorable warfare" and such there. [11:03:04] [Lucky] yes [11:03:06] [Lucky] of course [11:03:38] [Trip-] we know what we're doing :p [11:03:48] [Trip-] we'll defend our strip of non-jungle to the last :P [11:04:01] [Lucky] time to retrieve your tongue, itīs drying out :p [11:04:18] [Trip-] nah, I got a prosthetic put in years ago :) [11:04:42] [Togas] I thank you for coming to chat with us. [11:04:53] [Togas] We will convey your message and your points to our team. [11:04:53] [Lucky] yes, I think thatīs all [11:05:16] [Togas] And we'd certainly like to keep talking as this war goes on. [11:05:25] [Lucky] we hope that you can at least help us with the tech exchange [11:05:36] [Lucky] we appreciate your proposal [11:05:45] [Lucky] but talking alone wonīt help much I fear :S [11:05:57] [Togas] We will send the proposal shortly. We also hope that the Princess stays her course :) [11:07:12] [Togas] I need to get back to work, so I'll see you later. [11:07:26] [Togas] Take care and kill a few Immortals for us :) End of #Slackers buffer Thu Jul 03 11:07:48 2003