[04:45] <[GoW]UnO> All set and everyone logging? [04:45] sure [04:46] <[GoW]UnO> Ok. you guys get the agenda? [04:46] let me check [04:46] <[GoW]UnO> I sent it to zeit a few days back [04:47] ziet mentioned an agenda, but i don't see it. go ahead, UnO [04:47] ,ope, can't find it either [04:48] <[GoW]UnO> Ok. The first thing that we wanted to cover was to clear up any misconceptions that may exist reguarding GoW in the current situation [04:48] <[GoW]UnO> pardon, I need a sec...kids... [04:48] * [GoW]GhengisFarb has joined #GoW_CoFA [04:48] hi, gf [04:48] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I keep mispelling dtrategy [04:49] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> figure that [04:49] heh [04:49] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> speak of the devil [04:49] right. found the agenda [04:50] alva, see the contact log [04:51] ok. the current sit. i take it that means beta's thread? [04:53] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> This is progressing nicely [04:53] heh [04:53] <[GoW]Panzer32> probably [04:53] * [GoW]Panzer32 sets mode: +o [GoW]GhengisFarb [04:53] <[GoW]UnO> ok back...sorry [04:53] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Are we still at war with GS? [04:54] <[GoW]UnO> Let's just start from the beginning. [04:54] yes [04:54] <[GoW]UnO> That situation. [04:54] ok, uno. currenbt sit. go [04:54] <[GoW]UnO> As GS knows, GoW played a part in the initial deception reguarding Vox landing in Bob. [04:55] yes [04:55] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Reserve a point to clarify that bit [04:55] <[GoW]UnO> When Vox landed on Bob, we were faced with an uncertain future [04:56] <[GoW]UnO> Technically, ND and RP were now allowed to bring troops north along our borders. [04:56] <[GoW]UnO> We did not fear an amphibious invasion from Vox, but we were uncertain if all three teams could be trusted not to take advantage of the numbers. [04:57] reasonable [04:57] we understand that was a tense moment for gow. [04:57] * alva_busy nods [04:57] <[GoW]UnO> We were then told of the Vox plan, and agreed to a portion of their proposal of deception as part of the payment for their city. [04:58] <[GoW]UnO> They also wished for screenshots and other 'evidence' to be produced. [04:58] <[GoW]UnO> which we refused. [04:59] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Reserv point #2 to clarify later [04:59] alright [04:59] <[GoW]UnO> We were also contacted at this time by an employer we cannot name to assist Vox. [05:00] <[GoW]UnO> We have stated from the beginning we were mercenaries. Hence, the landing of the 2 horse [05:00] <[GoW]UnO> We cannot discuss the payments or source of this employment. [05:00] <[GoW]UnO> We currently have a problem, though. [05:01] <[GoW]UnO> We are technically under contract for 4 more units. [05:01] ahhh, yes, that is not so good. [05:01] <[GoW]UnO> We understand what you need to do, but we also need to fulfill our contract. [05:01] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Our contract states that we will land 6 units in support of Vox [05:02] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Doesn't say we have to pillage roads or take cities, just land [05:02] <[GoW]UnO> really? [05:02] since you cannot name your employers, it would be obvious they are not vox. [05:02] What kind of units? [05:02] <[GoW]UnO> As I said, we cannot say. [05:03] just making an observation. [05:03] <[GoW]UnO> There was no agreement for what types of units [05:03] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I'm pretty sure, that's why I wanted to land the Horses and have GS scream on the public forum that we had invaded. I would have technically have fulfilled our contract [05:04] <[GoW]UnO> If this war continues, and we are foced to land units, they will be labeled 'mercenaries' [05:04] <[GoW]UnO> All we ask at this point is that you keep in mind we are only fulfilling our obligations. [05:04] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> They should not be construed as representing the approval or official stance of GoW......... [05:04] that is... complicated. ;) [05:05] <[GoW]UnO> We have no vested interest in land on your island, only in our contract. [05:05] but we can grant that it is not the full might of gow being brought to bear. [05:05] * Mss_asleep is now known as MSS [05:05] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> If they are there when Vox is dead, they will have no reason to stay on Estonia, now will they? [05:06] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I would like to negotiate for Incense and Fur [05:06] what sorts of units do you plan on sending, and where would you send them? [05:06] <[GoW]UnO> We have also taken considerable heat reguarding this from our employers, and others in that we have not refused to commit fully. [05:06] just a remark: Gow being mercenairies isn't a valid enough reason for this being 'ok', is it :) [05:06] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Hey, we got paid cash, we are greedy little warmongers. [05:06] <[GoW]Panzer32> we do not break our contracts. [05:06] quick nap MSS :P [05:06] <[GoW]Panzer32> you could have hired us if you wanted [05:07] <[GoW]UnO> Yes, you are the recieving end of the contract, but this proves we honor all contracts as well... [05:07] yes. i suppose we could have, but it sounds as if you were hired long before we knew there would be a need. [05:07] doesn't telling us about the contract, contradict that somewhat? [05:08] <[GoW]UnO> There was not a non disclosure tag for the contract, only for the employer [05:08] yeah ..baclkk no catching up on how bob turns... [05:08] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Clarify point #2, the screenshots I sent you were doctored to so that you would not realize we had received a map of your island previously [05:08] we knew they were doctored, gf. [05:08] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I figured, I just wanted to let you know why [05:09] i can't remember where we caught it, but we did. [05:09] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> At the time, we were under agreement to not disclose that we had received the map [05:10] <[GoW]UnO> Well, units WOULD have landed last turn, but we were told not to send them by our emplyer. Now that hostilities continue, we are not sure what their plans are presently. [05:10] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> That was a #$#$ pain in the but trying to recreate the fog of war on those things [05:10] <[GoW]UnO> sorry, catching up on questions [05:10] what sorts of units, and where? [05:11] <[GoW]UnO> I beleive they are defensive units, GF? [05:11] i can;t think of why we would fuss if 4 warriors camped in Voxes northern hills. [05:11] <[GoW]Panzer32> can we disclose it? [05:11] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Against my wishes, yes [05:11] <[GoW]Panzer32> I know what they are [05:12] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> They should all be movement 1 units [05:12] <[GoW]Panzer32> Ghengis - they're not all move 1. [05:13] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> i said should, there may be one movement 2 unit [05:14] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Has anyone discussed a map trade? [05:14] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> We have the bulk of Lego's coast explored now [05:15] map trades have recently been discussed on our forum. [05:15] <[GoW]UnO> For the sake of argument and uncertainty at the moment, we cannot disclose the exact units or location. [05:15] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> We don't want them sunk. ;) [05:15] Really, too bad we are at war We are to the point we are looking to trade [05:15] ok. keep in mind that any hostile ships will be sunk on site [05:15] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I am keeping that in mind [05:15] <[GoW]UnO> Define 'hostile' [05:16] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Not GS [05:16] at war with gs and likely to be carrying troops [05:16] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Not Gs [05:16] yes NYE [05:16] RP has a ship near our waters and will be allowed to pass [05:16] <[GoW]UnO> If you were to blockade the pass preventing our galleys to arrive at all??? [05:17] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> What if we paint smilies on our ships, they would look friendly [05:17] lol [05:17] that is many tiles, and our navy may not want to park that far north. [05:18] <[GoW]UnO> Are there any further questions reguarding this situation? [05:18] What if you drop them where we want them? [05:18] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Where do you want them [05:18] hmmm too soon to tell this is so new [05:18] we would need to discuss that [05:18] brb, looking at the map. [05:18] tnks alva [05:19] <[GoW]Panzer32> we have already talked to the other team about where we are going to drop them... [05:19] ahh [05:19] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> how about the hill immediately s of Eliopolis, this would prevenT Vox troops from gaining the highground [05:19] ha [05:19] What are your costs? [05:19] that is crawling with troops. doubt there would be room for more boots [05:19] true nye [05:20] vox is on that position. [05:20] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> We haven't discovered boots yet [05:20] so you don;t know what it is aboot? ;) [05:20] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Exactly, they would have to move off for our troops [05:20] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I think its something that goes on your foot [05:20] you move, they move, we move. correct? [05:21] or are you between them and us? [05:21] GoW is before Vox. [05:21] Aftr us I think [05:21] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> no you are after them and before us [05:21] nah, can't really find any decent location :( [05:21] hi, nathan. [05:22] we could discuss it [05:22] ah, Nathan might now :) [05:22] I've been popping in and out in the middle of doing something else. I think I'm up to date. [05:22] <[GoW]UnO> Yes, let's discuss this later, shall we in the interest of movin on? There is alot more to cover. [05:23] Sure... Thats a lot to digest [05:23] ok [05:23] <[GoW]UnO> Next is our Research. We have taken some heat for not refusing to consider trading Chivalry to you guys. [05:23] <[GoW]UnO> What is the ETA on that, GF, Panzer? [05:24] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Around 6 tuns I think [05:24] <[GoW]Panzer32> 5 turns as of last [05:24] heat? from whom? [05:24] Thire clients [05:24] <[GoW]UnO> We cannot disclose that. [05:24] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> teams that cannot be disclosed at this time :( [05:25] My read is that GoW's clients take the view that if GoW is at war with us, they shouldn't be trading Chivalry to us. :) [05:25] <[GoW]UnO> We have agreed to this deal with you, and it will be carried out as agreed. We may have to declare peace, but maintain a 'technical' state of war in order to accomidate this. [05:25] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I'm getting tired of being other people's puppet [05:25] Well war must cease for the trade... [05:25] Something about 'Iron' springs to mind [05:25] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> :eager: [05:25] That works for me... [05:26] <[GoW]UnO> We were also wondering if you would be willing to discuss your research path and possible future trades? [05:26] I meant a certain thread a couple of days ago [05:26] <[GoW]UnO> Yes, I think we saw the irony more than any other team in that thread... [05:27] Our research path is a bit up in the air right now, thanks to someone's undercutting all our other plans to sell the last tech we researched. [05:27] <[GoW]Panzer32> I'm not getting it? [05:27] lol [05:27] <[GoW]UnO> The GS public announcement not to trade Iron to Vox. [05:27] <[GoW]UnO> that the whole world seemed to go into an uproar over... [05:27] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> We waited, but several other civs flat out didn't want to trade with you [05:28] * MSS nod [05:28] <[GoW]UnO> wishing to keep you from gold... [05:28] According to RP, they had a good offer from you shortly after we traded it to you. [05:28] for feud [05:28] <[GoW]UnO> we offered a deal that would take place after the agreed waiting period. [05:28] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> We took a lot of heat for buying Feudalism, other civs did NOT want you getting any gold [05:29] true you kept ypur work. hank you [05:29] your word.. [05:29] <[GoW]UnO> Again proving our true neutrality in the whole affair, much to certain peoples dismay... [05:29] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> The minute you mentioned no disclosure we did not discuss it with anyone [05:30] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Rp made us an offer before you mentioned Non Disclosre and before we had the tech [05:30] You have acted honorably, I will admit. No easy task for your position.... [05:31] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> From then on it was Togas trying to play us against each other to get it cheap, which we refused to discuss until the NDA ran out [05:31] thank you [05:32] <[GoW]UnO> Ok. Your up in the air at the moment, Chivalry will take place, that pretty much covers point 2 on the agenda unless there are further questions.