[04:24] * [GoW]Panzer32 sets mode: +nts
[04:38] <nye> back
[04:40] <[GoW]UnO> are we all set then?
[04:41] <nye> i think so
[04:42] <[GoW]UnO> Panzer?  HE?
[04:42] <nye> is mss awake?
[04:42] <[GoW]UnO> don't think so...
[04:42] <[GoW]UnO> want to wait?
[04:42] <nye> he needs some rest
[04:42] <[GoW]Panzer32> sure
[04:42] <[GoW]UnO> he's had a busy day? :lol:
[04:42] <nye> not sure how long we would be waiting. he was going on 1 hour sleep last night
[04:43] <alva_busy> he might wake until late afternoon ;)
[04:43] <alva_busy> *not
[04:43] <nye> if alva feels ok, we should proceed. is Nathan paying attention?
[04:43] <alva_busy> sure, although I will be quite most of it :)
[04:44] <alva_busy> Nathan is busy, I think ;)
[04:44] <alva_busy> *quiet
[04:44] <alva_busy> getting late here ;)
[04:44] <nye> ok.
[04:45] <[GoW]UnO> All set and everyone logging?
[04:45] <nye> sure
[04:46] <[GoW]UnO> Ok.  you guys get the agenda?
[04:46] <nye> let me check
[04:46] <[GoW]UnO> I sent it to zeit a few days back
[04:47] <nye> ziet mentioned an agenda, but i don't see it. go ahead, UnO
[04:47] <alva_busy> ,ope, can't find it either
[04:48] <[GoW]UnO> Ok.  The first thing that we wanted to cover was to clear up any misconceptions that may exist reguarding GoW in the current situation
[04:48] <[GoW]UnO> pardon, I need a sec...kids...
[04:48] * [GoW]GhengisFarb has joined #GoW_CoFA
[04:48] <nye> hi, gf
[04:48] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I keep mispelling dtrategy
[04:49] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> figure that
[04:49] <nye> heh
[04:49] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> speak of the devil
[04:49] <nye> right. found the agenda
[04:50] <nye> alva, see the contact log
[04:51] <nye> ok. the current sit. i take it that means beta's thread?
[04:53] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> This is progressing nicely
[04:53] <nye> heh
[04:53] <[GoW]Panzer32> probably
[04:53] * [GoW]Panzer32 sets mode: +o [GoW]GhengisFarb
[04:53] <[GoW]UnO> ok back...sorry
[04:53] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Are we still at war with GS?
[04:54] <[GoW]UnO> Let's just start from the beginning.
[04:54] <nye> yes
[04:54] <[GoW]UnO> That situation.
[04:54] <nye> ok, uno. currenbt sit. go
[04:54] <[GoW]UnO> As GS knows, GoW played a part in the initial deception reguarding Vox landing in Bob.
[04:55] <nye> yes
[04:55] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Reserve a point to clarify that bit
[04:55] <[GoW]UnO> When Vox landed on Bob, we were faced with an uncertain future
[04:56] <[GoW]UnO> Technically, ND and RP were now allowed to bring troops north along our borders.
[04:56] <[GoW]UnO> We did not fear an amphibious invasion from Vox, but we were uncertain if all three teams could be trusted not to take advantage of the numbers.
[04:57] <nye> reasonable
[04:57] <nye> we understand that was a tense moment for gow.
[04:57] * alva_busy nods
[04:57] <[GoW]UnO> We were then told of the Vox plan, and agreed to a portion of their proposal of deception as part of the payment for their city.
[04:58] <[GoW]UnO> They also wished for screenshots and other 'evidence' to be produced.
[04:58] <[GoW]UnO> which we refused.
[04:59] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Reserv point #2 to clarify later
[04:59] <nye> alright
[04:59] <[GoW]UnO> We were also contacted at this time by an employer we cannot name to assist Vox.
[05:00] <[GoW]UnO> We have stated from the beginning we were mercenaries.  Hence, the landing of the 2 horse
[05:00] <[GoW]UnO> We cannot discuss the payments or source of this employment.
[05:00] <[GoW]UnO> We currently have a problem, though.
[05:01] <[GoW]UnO> We are technically under contract for 4 more units.
[05:01] <nye> ahhh, yes, that is not so good.
[05:01] <[GoW]UnO> We understand what you need to do, but we also need to fulfill our contract.
[05:01] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Our contract states that we will land 6 units in support of Vox
[05:02] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Doesn't say we have to pillage roads or take cities, just land
[05:02] <[GoW]UnO> really?
[05:02] <nye> since you cannot name your employers, it would be obvious they are not vox.
[05:02] <alva_busy> What kind of units?
[05:02] <[GoW]UnO> As I said, we cannot say.
[05:03] <nye> just making an observation.
[05:03] <[GoW]UnO> There was no agreement for what types of units
[05:03] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I'm pretty sure, that's why I wanted to land the Horses and have GS scream on the public forum that we had invaded.  I would have technically have fulfilled our contract
[05:04] <[GoW]UnO> If this war continues, and we are foced to land units, they will be labeled 'mercenaries'
[05:04] <[GoW]UnO> All we ask at this point is that you keep in mind we are only fulfilling our obligations.
[05:04] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> They should not be construed as representing the approval or official stance of GoW.........
[05:04] <nye> that is... complicated. ;)
[05:05] <[GoW]UnO> We have no vested interest in land on your island, only in our contract.
[05:05] <nye> but we can grant that it is not the full might of gow being brought to bear.
[05:05] * Mss_asleep is now known as MSS
[05:05] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> If they are there when Vox is dead, they will have no reason to stay on Estonia, now will they?
[05:06] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I would like to negotiate for Incense and Fur
[05:06] <nye> what sorts of units do you plan on sending, and where would you send them?
[05:06] <[GoW]UnO> We have also taken considerable heat reguarding this from our employers, and others in that we have not refused to commit fully.
[05:06] <alva_busy> just a remark: Gow being mercenairies isn't a valid enough reason for this being 'ok', is it :)
[05:06] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Hey, we got paid cash, we are greedy little warmongers.
[05:06] <[GoW]Panzer32> we do not break our contracts.
[05:06] <Trip-> quick nap MSS :P
[05:06] <[GoW]Panzer32> you could have hired us if you wanted
[05:07] <[GoW]UnO> Yes, you are the recieving end of the contract, but this proves we honor all contracts as well...
[05:07] <nye> yes. i suppose we could have, but it sounds as if you were hired long before we knew there would be a need.
[05:07] <alva_busy> doesn't telling us about the contract, contradict that somewhat?
[05:08] <[GoW]UnO> There was not a non disclosure tag for the contract, only for the employer
[05:08] <MSS> yeah ..baclkk no catching up on how bob turns...
[05:08] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Clarify point #2, the  screenshots I sent you were doctored to so that you would not realize we had received a map of your island previously
[05:08] <nye> we knew they were doctored, gf.
[05:08] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I figured, I just wanted to let you know why
[05:09] <nye> i can't remember where we caught it, but we did.
[05:09] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> At the time, we were under agreement to not disclose that we had received the map
[05:10] <[GoW]UnO> Well, units WOULD have landed last turn, but we were told not to send them by our emplyer.  Now that hostilities continue, we are not sure what their plans are presently.
[05:10] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> That was a #$#$ pain in the but trying to recreate the fog of war on those things
[05:10] <[GoW]UnO> sorry, catching up on questions
[05:10] <nye> what sorts of units, and where?
[05:11] <[GoW]UnO> I beleive they are defensive units, GF?
[05:11] <nye> i can;t think of why we would fuss if 4 warriors camped in Voxes northern hills.
[05:11] <[GoW]Panzer32> can we disclose it?
[05:11] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Against my wishes, yes
[05:11] <[GoW]Panzer32> I know what they are
[05:12] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> They should all be movement 1 units
[05:12] <[GoW]Panzer32> Ghengis - they're not all move 1.
[05:13] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> i said should, there may be one movement 2 unit
[05:14] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Has anyone discussed a map trade?
[05:14] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> We have the bulk of Lego's coast explored now
[05:15] <nye> map trades have recently been discussed on our forum.
[05:15] <[GoW]UnO> For the sake of argument and uncertainty at the moment, we cannot disclose the exact units or location.
[05:15] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> We don't want them sunk.  ;)
[05:15] <MSS> Really, too bad we are at war We are to the point we are looking to trade
[05:15] <nye> ok. keep in mind that any hostile ships will be sunk on site
[05:15] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I am keeping that in mind
[05:15] <[GoW]UnO> Define 'hostile'
[05:16] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Not GS
[05:16] <nye> at war with gs and likely to be carrying troops
[05:16] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Not Gs
[05:16] <MSS> yes NYE
[05:16] <MSS> RP has a ship near our waters and will be allowed to pass
[05:16] <[GoW]UnO> If you were to blockade the pass preventing our galleys to arrive at all???
[05:17] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> What if we paint smilies on our ships, they would look friendly
[05:17] <alva_busy> lol
[05:17] <nye> that is many tiles, and our navy may not want to park that far north.
[05:18] <[GoW]UnO> Are there any further questions reguarding this situation?
[05:18] <alva_busy> What if you drop them where we want them?
[05:18] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Where do you want them
[05:18] <MSS> hmmm too soon to tell this is so new
[05:18] <nye> we would need to discuss that
[05:18] <alva_busy> brb, looking at the map.
[05:18] <MSS> tnks alva
[05:19] <[GoW]Panzer32> we have already talked to the other team about where we are going to drop them...
[05:19] <alva_busy> ahh
[05:19] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> how about the hill immediately s of Eliopolis, this would prevenT Vox troops from gaining the highground
[05:19] <nye> ha
[05:19] <MSS> What are your costs?
[05:19] <nye> that is crawling with troops. doubt there would be room for more boots
[05:19] <MSS> true nye
[05:20] <nye> vox is on that position.
[05:20] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> We haven't discovered boots yet
[05:20] <nye> so you don;t know what it is aboot? ;)
[05:20] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Exactly, they would have to move off for our troops
[05:20] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I think its something that goes on your foot
[05:20] <nye> you move, they move, we move. correct?
[05:21] <nye> or are you between them and us?
[05:21] <nbarclay> GoW is before Vox.
[05:21] <MSS> Aftr us I think
[05:21] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> no you are after them and before us
[05:21] <alva_busy> nah, can't really find any decent location :(
[05:21] <nye> hi, nathan.
[05:22] <nye> we could discuss it
[05:22] <alva_busy> ah, Nathan might now :)
[05:22] <nbarclay> I've been popping in and out in the middle of doing something else.  I think I'm up to date.
[05:22] <[GoW]UnO> Yes, let's discuss this later, shall we in the interest of movin on?  There is alot more to cover.
[05:23] <MSS> Sure... Thats a lot to digest
[05:23] <nye> ok
[05:23] <[GoW]UnO> Next is our Research.  We have taken some heat for not refusing to consider trading Chivalry to you guys.
[05:23] <[GoW]UnO> What is the ETA on that, GF, Panzer?
[05:24] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Around 6 tuns I think
[05:24] <[GoW]Panzer32> 5 turns as of last
[05:24] <nye> heat? from whom?
[05:24] <MSS> Thire clients
[05:24] <[GoW]UnO> We cannot disclose that.
[05:24] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> teams that cannot be disclosed at this time  :(
[05:25] <nbarclay> My read is that GoW's clients take the view that if GoW is at war with us, they shouldn't be trading Chivalry to us. :)
[05:25] <[GoW]UnO> We have agreed to this deal with you, and it will be carried out as agreed.  We may have to declare peace, but maintain a 'technical' state of war in order to accomidate this.
[05:25] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I'm getting tired of being other people's puppet
[05:25] <MSS> Well war must cease for the trade...
[05:25] <alva_busy> Something about 'Iron' springs to mind 
[05:25] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> :eager:
[05:25] <MSS> That works for me...
[05:26] <[GoW]UnO> We were also wondering if you would be willing to discuss your research path and possible future trades?
[05:26] <alva_busy> I meant a certain thread a couple of days ago 
[05:26] <[GoW]UnO> Yes, I think we saw the irony more than any other team in that thread...
[05:27] <nbarclay> Our research path is a bit up in the air right now, thanks to someone's undercutting all our other plans to sell the last tech we researched.
[05:27] <[GoW]Panzer32> I'm not getting it?
[05:27] <alva_busy> lol
[05:27] <[GoW]UnO> The GS public announcement not to trade Iron to Vox.
[05:27] <[GoW]UnO> that the whole world seemed to go into an uproar over...
[05:27] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> We waited, but several other civs flat out didn't want to trade with you
[05:28] * MSS nod
[05:28] <[GoW]UnO> wishing to keep you from gold...
[05:28] <nbarclay> According to RP, they had a good offer from you shortly after we traded it to you.
[05:28] <MSS> for feud
[05:28] <[GoW]UnO> we offered a deal that would take place after the agreed waiting period.
[05:28] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> We took a lot of heat for buying Feudalism, other civs did NOT want you getting any gold
[05:29] <MSS> true you kept ypur work. hank you
[05:29] <MSS> your word..
[05:29] <[GoW]UnO> Again proving our true neutrality in the whole affair, much to certain peoples dismay...
[05:29] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> The minute you mentioned no disclosure we did not discuss it with anyone
[05:30] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Rp made us an offer before you mentioned Non Disclosre and before we had the tech
[05:30] <MSS> You have acted honorably, I will admit. No easy task for your position....
[05:31] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> From then on it was Togas trying to play us against each other to get it cheap, which we refused to discuss until the NDA ran out
[05:31] <MSS> thank you
[05:32] <[GoW]UnO> Ok.  Your up in the air at the moment, Chivalry will take place, that pretty much covers point 2 on the agenda unless there are further questions.
[05:32] <MSS> do you have a price?
[05:32] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> The problem for us was that we had deals with both sides before the war began and we didn't see it coming.  This left us with very little room to wiggle in
[05:32] <nye> already agreed, mss
[05:32] <nbarclay> We had agreed on 200 gold, as I recall.
[05:32] <[GoW]Panzer32> yes.
[05:32] * MSS nods
[05:33] <[GoW]UnO> on to #3?
[05:33] <nbarclay> Definitely awkward.
[05:33] <nbarclay> (For you.)
[05:33] <[GoW]UnO> We find that allot...
[05:33] <nbarclay> On to #3 sounds fine to me.
[05:34] <nye> the status of Vox?
[05:34] <[GoW]UnO> Future of Vox...
[05:34] <[GoW]UnO> What are your intentions?
[05:34] <[GoW]UnO> Besides off your island?
[05:34] <MSS> The are burning brigdes daily
[05:35] <nbarclay> Until Beta's little stunt, we would have been happy to see them establish the best civ they possibly can elsewhere.
[05:35] <[GoW]UnO> You asked us for suggestions on locations, we wonder what your team feels is appropriate?
[05:35] <nbarclay> Now there is a certain amount of disagreement.
[05:35] <MSS> We ARE NOT pleased with their lates stunt in the public froum
[05:35] <[GoW]UnO> I can understand that much.
[05:35] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Flat out - our interests in Vox, they are supposed to give us a tech which we want.  That is our primary investment in them.
[05:35] <[GoW]UnO> Yep.
[05:35] <MSS> Engineering...
[05:36] <[GoW]UnO> yep.
[05:36] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> We get that tech, we aren't interested in them anymore
[05:36] <MSS> Can we provide that? nathan?
[05:36] <[GoW]UnO> We already paid a down payment...
[05:36] <MSS> what was that?
[05:36] <nye> heh
[05:36] <[GoW]UnO> some gold
[05:36] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> A long time ago
[05:36] <nbarclay> If Vox cooperates, we could arrange to leave The Voice in their hands until they get it, although we'd probably want the tech ourselves as a price for doing so.
[05:36] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> before they attacked
[05:36] <nye> well, down payments to extinct civs are a problem...
[05:37] <[GoW]UnO> yes, they are.
[05:37] <nbarclay> I should say, could probably arrange.  I can't commit the team all by myself.
[05:38] <alva_busy> We let vox live long enough, you share the tech, something like that?
[05:38] <[GoW]UnO> I think GoW would be willing to 'gift' it to you for allowing them to live... Panzer? GF?
[05:38] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> If Vox is destroyed I would like to offer Betahound a position on the GoW team.  That kind of spin doctoring needs to be fostered.
[05:39] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> :D
[05:39] <MSS> How gracious of you towards Vox
[05:39] <[GoW]UnO> This could also be construed as you giving them time to leave on the public forum...
[05:39] <alva_busy> :D
[05:39] <[GoW]Panzer32> "I think GoW would be willing to 'gift' it to you for allowing them to live... Panzer? GF?" Do you mean Vox gifting it to GS?
[05:39] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Betahound is a master at that
[05:39] <MSS> I was wondering if GS needed his services...
[05:39] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> He may find himself in a bidding war
[05:39] <alva_busy> lol
[05:39] <MSS> They seem to be 10 + turns from it, can we beat that?
[05:40] <MSS> nathan?
[05:40] <[GoW]UnO> I believe they stated 15.
[05:40] <MSS> That was 2 turns ago...
[05:40] <[GoW]UnO> I must step away for a moment again.  Panzer, care to take over for a sec?
[05:40] <[GoW]UnO> GF?
[05:40] <[GoW]Panzer32> sure
[05:40] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Sure
[05:41] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Go Panzer
[05:41] <[GoW]Panzer32> basically, if we were to get Eng from you instead of Vox, how much would you want for it?
[05:42] <nbarclay> I don't think I'd want to try to beat that research time if we can get the tech for free later.  We need gold for other things, and we'll be hurting financially between the time our GA ends and the time we catch up on city improvements.
[05:42] <nbarclay> Crosspost.
[05:42] <[GoW]Panzer32> ok, so you would rather keep Vox around for Eng.
[05:43] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> If there is the possiblity of getting Vox to finish it that would be the best route in my opinion, both GS and GoW need cash
[05:43] <nbarclay> If we could get the right deals with other teams, it might be worth researching it ourselves, but we'd need to be absolutely sure the rest of the world would pay its fair share in some form or another.
[05:43] <[GoW]Panzer32> For Vox to give you Eng, it would most likely to be in a peace deal.
[05:43] <MSS> This worries me...
[05:44] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Doubtful, (selling Engineering) Vox has deals with almost all the other civs (a reason why they don't support GS wiping Vox out)
[05:44] <MSS> 15 turns is a long time. If we decide to eliminate Vox, we want to do it sooner than that
[05:45] <alva_busy> In that case, it might be worth it to get rid of vox sooner :)
[05:45] <[GoW]Panzer32> my suggestion: see if you can make peace with them getting Eng ASAP.
[05:45] <MSS> I think tht we should honnor Voxes Eng Deals for buy off of thier elimination.
[05:45] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I'm fairly confident Vox presold Engineering to Lego and Roleplay, that would explain their support of a peace plan
[05:46] <MSS> This is all theroy now...
[05:46] <[GoW]UnO> ok back
[05:47] <[GoW]UnO> gotta love children.
[05:47] <[GoW]UnO> "but YOURE still awake"
[05:47] * MSS nods
[05:47] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> We decided to gift all our cities to GS and join their team
[05:47] <alva_busy> other peaple kids..., sure, great :D :p
[05:47] <[GoW]UnO> Ok.
[05:47] <MSS> hehe... that would really rock the world
[05:47] <[GoW]UnO> That would be hard to defend on Bob...
[05:47] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I'm a horrible negotiator
[05:48] <[GoW]UnO> only 1 defender/city...
[05:48] <MSS> we dont believe that GF
[05:48] <nye> we'd get emily to talk to them
[05:48] <[GoW]UnO> Ill run for FA in GS ;)
[05:48] <[GoW]UnO> anyway back on topic.
[05:48] <MSS> Would you accept the elimination of vox if we gave you engineerin?
[05:48] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Can I run a city?
[05:49] <MSS> and honored their deal
[05:49] <MSS> this is all hypothetical
[05:49] <[GoW]UnO> I think we would need to bring that back to the full team
[05:49] <alva_busy> How do we get to give eng??
[05:49] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I may not be Emperor in a few days but yes, I think that would fly
[05:49] <MSS> sure, as we would too
[05:49] <[GoW]Panzer32> I think this is all hypothetical, alva
[05:49] <Trip-> LoL how evil
[05:49] <Trip-> :D
[05:49] <nye> very hypothetical. vox dies. other deals are not part of that
[05:50] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Count Tripula
[05:50] <[GoW]Panzer32> we would have to discuss with the team
[05:50] <alva_busy> sure, but we can't give anything if we don't have it, do we?
[05:50] <MSS> dedicate research, eliminate vox and get oit to them. So wht if it is 16 -18 turns...
[05:50] <MSS> we would have to plan and make deals...
[05:50] <nbarclay> Does anyone here know how many turns are left in our GA?  I've lost track.  (Not a great admission for a chief economist. :))
[05:51] <[GoW]UnO> We'll bring that offer back to the team and Ill answer you back through zeit.
[05:51] <alva_busy> Or let vox live a litle longer and get Eng for free..
[05:51] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> You would have a whole island to yourselves, leaving you in a postioin to concentrate on infrastructure and research
[05:51] <MSS> thanks... we will do likewise...
[05:51] <[GoW]UnO> meanwhile, you guys get the # turns worked out.
[05:51] <MSS> nathan... 2 or three. We started in turn 94  I believe
[05:52] <[GoW]UnO> Ok good.
[05:52] <nye> what a massive opp for miscomunication
[05:52] <[GoW]UnO> Any other questions about Vox, anything I forgot GOW members?
[05:52] <[GoW]Panzer32> I don't think so
[05:52] <nye> yes. one
[05:52] <[GoW]UnO> Yes?
[05:52] * MSS is now known as mss_brb
[05:52] <[GoW]Panzer32> I'm ready for D
[05:53] <nye> i feel i should make it clear that many on gs will not accept conditions on the death of vox.
[05:53] <nye> i do not want to undercut mss, but i do not want gow to have a flase impression.
[05:53] <nye> *false
[05:53] <[GoW]UnO> This is all hypothetical, I know.
[05:54] <nye> very good
[05:54] <[GoW]UnO> quoting boeing guidlines: meetings are for relaying information, not working issues.
[05:54] <[GoW]UnO> ;)
[05:54] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> But it helps to understand other teams positions
[05:55] <nye> right.
[05:55] <[GoW]UnO> Ok, on to point 4?
[05:55] <nye> after beta's thread, most of the remaining doves are looking more like hawks
[05:55] <[GoW]UnO> are there any doves on GS?
[05:55] <[GoW]UnO> jk
[05:55] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> on the grill
[05:55] <nye> i'm afraid it has backfired very nastily on those who thought it was a good idea
[05:56] <[GoW]UnO> Status of Bob.
[05:56] <nye> go ahead
[05:56] <[GoW]UnO> We are being kept in the dark a bit recently.
[05:56] * mss_brb is now known as mss
[05:56] <[GoW]UnO> This has us concerned.
[05:56] <mss> One sec...
[05:57] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> uh oh
[05:57] <[GoW]UnO> Have you guys heard anything from the other teams?
[05:57] <mss> go ahead.. we can discuss it i our forum...
[05:57] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> their communicating with their allies
[05:57] <[GoW]UnO> ...
[05:58] <[GoW]UnO> We're next on their list...
[05:58] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> quick, who else is on the forums
[05:58] <[GoW]UnO> I can be.
[05:58] <[GoW]UnO> Oh, you mean, never mind.
[05:58] <[GoW]UnO> it's panag!!! their dealing with panag.
[05:58] <[GoW]Panzer32> what are you talking about Ghengis?
[05:58] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> which team is he on?
[05:58] <nbarclay> I checked our history and the attack that began our GA was Turn 93.
[05:59] <nye> i'm not sure what is occupying mss. i'm sure he will return.
[05:59] <mss> I am back
[05:59] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> It was a joke, Panzer
[05:59] <[GoW]UnO> We were wondering what you have heard from the other teams of Bob.
[06:00] <mss> just RO latly.. Alva?
[06:00] <[GoW]UnO> We have been being kept in the dark a bit, making us think something is up.
[06:00] <mss> RP
[06:00] <[GoW]Panzer32> ok :D
[06:00] <alva_busy> sorry, have to catch up
[06:00] <mss> Me too
[06:00] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> wow, they just came right out with it
[06:00] <mss> ??
[06:00] <nbarclay> Who just came right out with what?
[06:00] <alva_busy> Not much to be honest.
[06:01] <mss> We saidthtw e contacted RP, but it was a bust
[06:01] <mss> it got a little agg over costal exploration...
[06:01] <MRex> I got to go guys, its been, um, interesting listening in to this chat. Have a good night all. :)
[06:01] * MRex has left #gow_cofa
[06:01] <mss> u suspect RP is upto something?
[06:01] <[GoW]UnO> We don't know.
[06:02] <alva_busy> ND has gone through several changes lately and has therfore been rather quiet.
[06:02] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Ever since we took the stance of not supporting the gold and tech embargo against GS, we have been less and less in the loop with other teams, we are growing concerned they are forming an alliance against us
[06:02] <[GoW]UnO> We have a gut feeling hostilities might break out on Bob again.
[06:02] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> nye Mrex, welcome to GoW
[06:02] <[GoW]UnO> IF we are the target, can we expect any support from GS?
[06:02] <nye> who was MRex?
[06:02] <alva_busy> GOW from the north, who will cover you in the south? :cute:
[06:02] <[GoW]Panzer32> new member
[06:03] <[GoW]UnO> If we are not the target, who do you feel we should back?
[06:03] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> i just don't want GS attacking us as part of the alliance
[06:03] * mss has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[06:03] <nye> bugger
[06:04] <nye> gow, we have no plans to go to bob.
[06:04] * mss has joined #GoW_CoFA
[06:04] <[GoW]UnO> Not in support, or in conquest...
[06:04] <[GoW]UnO> Any possibility of financial support?
[06:04] <nye> support would require an invitation. we have received none.
[06:04] <mss> damn connection
[06:05] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> If war breaks out on Bob, is it safe to assume GoW and GS can maintain friendly trade relations?
[06:05] <[GoW]UnO> Should we ask, would you be there, or would it be first come/first serve?
[06:06] <[GoW]UnO> And, if we are not a target, and ND/RP go at it, who do you feel we should support?
[06:06] <nye> good questions
[06:06] <alva_busy> We will make a public outcry for peace ;)
[06:06] <mss> nod
[06:06] <nye> lol, alva
[06:06] <[GoW]UnO> We all know how well THOSE work :p
[06:06] <nbarclay> My strictly personal inclination is that it is in GS's best interest not to have any civ on Bob become too dominant.
[06:06] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> And blast the aggressor for being :aggressive:
[06:08] <[GoW]UnO> What is 'too powerfull?'
[06:08] <alva_busy> This not something one can answer, is it..
[06:08] <alva_busy> *easely
[06:08] <[GoW]UnO> Is this perhaps better dealt with through PMs to get the full team?
[06:08] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Seriously, would it be possible to maintain friendly trade relations between GS and GoW?  You have incense, fur, and iron
[06:08] <mss> Yes.
[06:09] <alva_busy> aha, iron ;)
[06:09] <nye> yes, uno. the team would need to discuss these things.
[06:10] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> This will have a major impact on whether we mount a strong defense or cave in and give half our cities away to insure our existence
[06:10] <alva_busy> without making any promises, I'd say we can (stay on friendly basis)
[06:10] <[GoW]UnO> Ok, Ill put that on my list for zeit.
[06:10] <nye> gf, we are inclined to be honest, and reliable
[06:10] <mss> actually (this is personally speakin no way official) GoW has been honorable and supportiv of GS, morso than anyone else...
[06:10] <[GoW]UnO> damn, MZ didn't tell me this job (you guys) would be so much work :0
[06:10] <[GoW]UnO> :)
[06:10] <nye> hehe
[06:10] <alva_busy> lol
[06:11] <alva_busy> we will break you too :D
[06:11] <nye> we're either silent, or 54 voices. take your pick. nss is to fix that though.
[06:11] <[GoW]UnO> "oh UnO, go to GS, they know you...
[06:11] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> If have secure sources of Iron, etc, then we can feel secure in defending ourselves against an enemy
[06:11] <alva_busy> up to moment, you will hate us too :D ;)
[06:12] <[GoW]UnO> I hate no one.
[06:12] <alva_busy> yet :p ;)
[06:12] <nye> heve you had good contact with nd in the past?
[06:12] <[GoW]UnO> Well, timeline and I had some fun once upon a time...held a grudge for a bit, but was playing RoN with him just the other night.
[06:12] <alva_busy> Anyone have any idea what iron is actually worth??
[06:13] <[GoW]UnO> ND has yet to break anything if that's what you are asking.
[06:13] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> depends on your situation
[06:13] <[GoW]UnO> They are also hard to get a read on their feelings.
[06:13] <nye> i can believe that.
[06:13] <mss> its the non native thing...
[06:13] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> So far, we have had excellent dealings with everyone but Lux
[06:14] <mss> lol
[06:14] <[GoW]UnO> its also they feel everyone is against them for being non-poly.  just personal observation...
[06:14] <alva_busy> who??? ;)
[06:14] <nye> but things have chilled lately?
[06:14] <alva_busy> they are a small team too
[06:14] <[GoW]UnO> yes, we are not being contacted as regularly...
[06:14] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> the teams are getting smaller
[06:14] <[GoW]UnO> or getting as much info.
[06:14] <nye> you are concerned with a rp/nd alliance?
[06:15] <[GoW]UnO> yes, basically.
[06:15] <alva_busy> Like I said many leader and diplo changes
[06:15] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> MavSon isn't as talkative as Borc or Darekill
[06:15] <[GoW]UnO> This also brings about another item that should be discussed.
[06:16] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Borc and Darekill HATED Togas, MavSon appears to love RP
[06:16] <mss> hmmm
[06:16] <[GoW]UnO> If hostilities come to Bob and we are not the target, we have certain deals in the works with both teams in the future.
[06:16] <[GoW]UnO> Just like what happened with you guys, we will honor all of these.
[06:16] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> ANother political catastrophe in the works.
[06:16] <nye> our code would insist we do likewise
[06:17] * mss bows
[06:17] <[GoW]UnO> However, we fear we could become the target of a propoganda campaign like unto what you are seeing.
[06:17] <mss> from RP?
[06:17] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Rightous Propoganda team
[06:17] <mss> they could pull it off
[06:17] <[GoW]UnO> We just ask that you listen to us before making any judgements, as we have tried to do here.
[06:17] <mss> Believe us we will
[06:17] <nye> we are getting good at spotting the true motives of such threads.
[06:18] <alva_busy> hmm, you did play along for quit some time
[06:18] * mss summons feelgood moment...
[06:18] <mss> Actually I think that we potentially have a  lot in common
[06:18] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I agree
[06:18] * mss retrus to normal
[06:18] <[GoW]UnO> Yes.
[06:19] <mss> We do not buy into the PR game, we just scramble to defend ourselvs
[06:19] <nye> It occurs to me that RP and Lego want as much trouble for other civs, as far away from them as possible.
[06:19] <mss> and watch with appalled amazment that folks buy into that sort of thinng
[06:20] <alva_busy> smart tactic
[06:20] <[GoW]UnO> I fear Togas could be far superior to even Beta when he wants to...
[06:20] <nye> i know so
[06:20] * mss mods
[06:20] <[GoW]UnO> Well, you and I have reason to from the courts, nye...
[06:20] <mss> hehe
[06:20] <alva_busy> Togas hasn't got the humour, beta makes it look like he just improvised something
[06:20] <mss> courts smorts
[06:21] <[GoW]UnO> the DG courts.
[06:21] <mss> when he has a bone to pick... watchout
[06:21] <alva_busy> Everybody is weary of togas (reputation procedes the man? something like that :) )
[06:21] <mss> good point alva
[06:21] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> He's a lawyer for heavens sake
[06:21] <[GoW]UnO> Ok.
[06:21] <mss> inst Unorto?
[06:21] <alva_busy> and a good one me thinks
[06:22] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Persuading people is his job
[06:22] <[GoW]UnO> Inst?
[06:22] <mss> nod
[06:22] <mss> isnt..
[06:22] <[GoW]UnO> Hell no
[06:22] * mss bows
[06:22] <[GoW]UnO> If you must no, I run a warehouse.
[06:22] <[GoW]UnO> very INTERESTING warehouse, but a warehouse.
[06:22] <alva_busy> He wasn't on the OJ team, was he ;)
[06:22] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> And a haunted ont
[06:22] <mss> You are organized
[06:22] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> one
[06:23] <[GoW]UnO> Im a freak for organization
[06:23] <mss> that you are... I respect that
[06:23] <[GoW]UnO> When you report for 3 billion $ in assets to the airforce, it breeds you to become organized...
[06:23] <alva_busy> back to topic? we seem to have wandered somewhat....:)
[06:23] <mss> back to point... your worry about the smear campaign
[06:23] <alva_busy> beat ya :p
[06:23] <mss> lol
[06:24] <[GoW]UnO> We are rapped up, all but what GS added to the agenda.
[06:24] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I gotta go, I have a whole bunch of Gate Guards I have to prepare in the morning
[06:24] <[GoW]UnO> You have harbors comming online soon?
[06:24] <[GoW]UnO> How soon?
[06:24] <nbarclay> My father just called a few minutes ago, so I'm out of the loop right now if anyone's wondering.
[06:24] <mss> BTW we ay GS appreciate the support we got from you in thepublic forum today
[06:24] <mss> at gs..
[06:25] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> What support?
[06:25] <[GoW]UnO> and don't we also need a map to trade via them?
[06:25] <mss> not jumping to conclusions, 
[06:25] <[GoW]UnO> GF, from me
[06:25] <alva_busy> 4 - 6 turns?
[06:25] <mss> both
[06:25] <nye> no, uno. we can initiate trades.
[06:25] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Way to go UnOrtho!
[06:25] <mss> You didnt jump to "oh poor Vox"
[06:25] <[GoW]UnO> I said to hel with it and stated my mind.
[06:26] <[GoW]UnO> nye, ok.
[06:26] <mss> That is why I think we are similar, team wise..
[06:26] <[GoW]UnO> What are you wanting for furs and insence?
[06:26] <[GoW]UnO> And possibly Iron later.
[06:26] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Furs and Incense, for instance
[06:27] <mss> You have wins no?
[06:27] <nye> what lux's do you have. (bad pun)
[06:27] <mss> wines
[06:27] <[GoW]UnO> Wine.
[06:27] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> Just one win against Lux
[06:27] <mss> lol
[06:27] <[GoW]UnO> we have a lux worker...
[06:27] <[GoW]UnO> all that remains....
[06:28] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> We have wine and eventually Gems
[06:28] <mss> How long to gems?
[06:28] <[GoW]UnO> Im so outdated on our map...
[06:28] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> not sure, my city schedule got thrown off schedule
[06:29] <[GoW]UnO> We need to get Aro back and making maps...
[06:29] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> What happened to Aro?
[06:29] <[GoW]UnO> He's recording a CD with his band
[06:29] <Trip-> at least he went out in style :P
[06:30] <[GoW]UnO> Im buying a copy straight from him :p
[06:30] <Trip-> is it in Portuguese? :D
[06:30] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> No digital
[06:30] <[GoW]UnO> I don't care.  I listen to Operah and don't understand half of it.
[06:30] <Trip-> :P
[06:30] * Trip- crawls back to the C3C forums
[06:30] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> I can't understand Opral either
[06:30] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> oprah
[06:31] * mss is now known as mss_brb_wife_calls
[06:31] <[GoW]GhengisFarb> She heard my Oprah comment :scared: