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Toronto, Canada.
Jan 1970
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Invasion of France from the Allied side would be absolutely fascinating to play. It'd be interesting to see whether the Allied forces commanded properly could have properly repelled the German invasion. I'm for that all the way.
Red Front 1.941 (New map): 5
Stalingrad 1942 (Urban warfare): 7
Finnish-Soviet War (Finnish side): 1
Ardennes 1944 (American side): 0
Ardennes 1944 (German side): 1
France 1940 (French side): 2
France 1940 (German side): 0
Afrikakorps (Both sides): 6
Battle of Britain (British side): 4
Market-Garden (Allied Side): 1
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Hendrik the Great
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Good old Germany!
Oct 1999
time: 06:13
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I want to see house to house fighting! Perhaps Captain Nemo could make a special unit representing my grandpa...
So the score is now:
Red Front 1.941 (New map): 5
Stalingrad 1942 (Urban warfare): 8
Finnish-Soviet War (Finnish side): 1
Ardennes 1944 (American side): 0
Ardennes 1944 (German side): 1
France 1940 (French side): 2
France 1940 (German side): 0
Afrikakorps (Both sides): 6
Battle of Britain (British side): 4
Market-Garden (Allied Side): 2
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Hendrik the Great
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Good old Germany!
Oct 1999
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Yes, he served on a motorbike transmitting orders, etc... Luckely, I must say, he was shot in the back by a snipper and had to be flown out for treatment. As he later found out he had been on one of the very last planes to leave. Later he was in France (no, not Normandy) and Balkan(?) where he had to exit his quarters throu the back door because a the Russians we literally knocking on the front door.
But I think we should stay with the original idea of this thread and help Nemo decide on a new scenario.
If you want to continue with this send me an email.
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Allard HS
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It's interesting to hear these stories from the other side. Still, grandchildren always only tell the stories about lucky grandparents who did not die. Otherwise they wouldn't have been there, obviously.
And Stefan, you're absolutely right. That's the advantage of not being paid to make scenarios, that you can do it about whatever you wish.
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Cal
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Hermosa Beach, California, USA
Aug 2000
time: 05:13
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Hmm... my grandfather was almost in the war, he received his greeting from the President the day the war ended.
By the way, I've added my vote.
Red Front 1.941 (New map): 5
Stalingrad 1942 (Urban warfare): 8
Finnish-Soviet War (Finnish side): 1
Ardennes 1944 (American side): 0
Ardennes 1944 (German side): 1
France 1940 (French side): 2
France 1940 (German side): 0
Afrikakorps (Both sides): 7
Battle of Britain (British side): 4
Market-Garden (Allied Side): 2
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The strategically impaired,
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Let's see... let's see.... I'll go for............ Battle of Britain. No, wait, France 1940! Both sides. That should even out to a .5 to both teams. What I'm voting for is France 1940 French AND German.
Red Front 1.941 (New map): 5
Stalingrad 1942 (Urban warfare): 8
Finnish-Soviet War (Finnish side): 1
Ardennes 1944 (American side): 0
Ardennes 1944 (German side): 1
France 1940 (French side): 2.5
France 1940 (German side): 0.5
Afrikakorps (Both sides): 7
Battle of Britain (British side): 4
Market-Garden (Allied Side): 2
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Hendrik the Great
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Good old Germany!
Oct 1999
time: 06:13
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That's sad to hear. I was lucky enough to get to know my grandfather.
Another suggestion for Captain Nemo:
How about a scenario focusing on the Battle of the Atlantic? U-Boots and the rest against Allied Convoys?
It's what has been suggested and more. A naval scenario and WWII in your normal realms.
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Sortub
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Austin, TX
Apr 2000
time: 05:13
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I vote for the ultimate version of Red Front.
Though a bad back kept him out of the fighting, my grandfather, a forestry expert, helped design the American Gliders used at Normandy.
My other grandfather had to stay home and watch over the farm while his brothers served. He and my great uncle used to tell a story about two German POW's who ended up in southwestern Wisconsin. They managed to escape they area where they were held and promptly fled down the Mississippi river. However, their misadventure promptly ended when they reached a nearby town on the shores of the river; the escapees ended up in LaCrosse, Wisconsin, and not New Orleans, where they thought they were.
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Captain Nemo-
If you do the Stalingrad scenario, I HIGHLY recomend ToT. Despite the fact that you will lose feedback from people who are too stuborn to buy the game, it would so kick ass. With the multiple maps feature you could have people fighting in the same people or different stories, and troops running around in underground trenches and sewers. It would really be crazy (in the good way) if small pockets of your troops were cut off and trapped in an upper level of a building, factory or what have you. Combat Engineer type units could dig holes (build transport sites) underneath the city for troops to pop up on the other side. It would be utter chaos. An urban scenario like this has yet to be exploited, and I think you should lead the way!
If you don't plan on making any ToT scenarios period  then I suggest Axis Afrika Korps.
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"There is no more illustrious history than the history of the Magyar Nation... The whole civilized world is indebted to Magyarland for its historic deeds."
-Theodore Roosevelt, to the Hungarian Parliament,
April 2, 1910
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Prometeus
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of Old Europe - "In America we don't trust"
Jun 2000
time: 06:13
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quote:
Originally posted by DarthVeda on 10-17-2000 11:46 AM
Everybody says "Lez do Stalingrad", but the actual battle wasn't so exciting. Germans come in, get trapped, surrender. Exactly how do you convert this to civ2?
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Interesting problem, Veda... Nemo, this is my idea ( it was inspired by Roman Riots scenario ):
1) Set in a map the whole Stalingrad front ( the Volga river and town in the middle, depicted with a "urban type" terrain, four or five objectives - the factories - in the middle of this area from north to south ), with several other cities as objectives ( Gurmak air camp, for example );
2) begin the scen with the German attack;
3) in the midst of the scen, use the event.txt to start the "Operation Uranus" ( you know, the Russian counterattack ), against the Rumenian army's units ( maybe you can perform these as weak units, it's your choice);
4) Trap the German into Stalingrad and destroy them - Von Paulus unit ? Schreck unit ? -( playing as Russian ), take the Stalingrad production factories and the railroad station - the objectives - before "Operation Uranus" ( playing as German ).
Simple as olive oil...
PS Forgot to tell you about Operation Wintersturm... and you dare to say this battle to be not so intersting ???? 
[This message has been edited by Prometeus (edited October 17, 2000).]
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Panda
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Europe
Jan 1970
time: 05:13
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Well when I saw the glider idea in action, I immediately thought of Arnhem. Or Crete, now I think about it.
However, as you say you already have the right map for a Red Front update, I'd suggest getting that out of the way first.
I don't know about the battle of britain. Taken out of context, the two months of frantic action hardly translate well into a Civ2 scenario with the kind of campaign feature you like so well. Hardly any single battles do. The only new worthwhile suggestions are Afrikakorps or France 1940 as they're about control of territory and production rather than destroying the enemy en masse. And both of these have been done before by JP, and done rather well I might add. Maybe Stalingrad, Ardennes and Arnhem for control of tactical objectives. Just MHO.
Red Front 1.941 (New map): 7
Stalingrad 1942 (Urban warfare): 8 (Unless ToT version of Stalingrad, then 10)
Finnish-Soviet War (Finnish side): 1
Ardennes 1944 (American side): 0
Ardennes 1944 (German side): 1
France 1940 (French side): 2.5
France 1940 (German side): 0.5
Afrikakorps (Both sides): 9 (unless ToT version of Stalingrad, then 8)
Battle of Britain (British side): 4
Market-Garden (Allied Side): 2
Kursk (No Side Specified): 1
The Unofficial Naval War in the Atlantic (No Side Specified): 0
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jeibel
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A Hill with Grapes on top
Jun 2000
time: 05:13
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Hi Prom, nice maps!
Where do they came from? Scanned? Link to the source, perhaps?
Keep up the good work, guys!
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Captain Nemo
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Red Front
Jan 1970
time: 05:13
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Eliminating the adjustable count since I would not go with ToT (Not that is not a good idea, but it would require a lot of additional work... As far as a new platform, I would probably prefer to wait for Civ III)here is the updated count:
Red Front 1.941 (New map): 7
Stalingrad 1942 (Urban warfare): 8
Finnish-Soviet War (Finnish side): 1
Ardennes 1944 (American side): 0
Ardennes 1944 (German side): 1
France 1940 (French side): 2.5
France 1940 (German side): 0.5
Afrikakorps (Both sides): 9
Battle of Britain (British side): 4
Market-Garden (Allied Side): 2
Kursk (No Side Specified): 1
Battle of the Atlantic : 0
[This message has been edited by Captain Nemo (edited October 17, 2000).]
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master on high
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San Francisco
Apr 1999
time: 05:13
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ARGH....
Battle of Britain or Battle of the Bulge.
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CDC80UF
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Gainesville, FL
Aug 1999
time: 05:13
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Capt. Nemo you are still the man! I haven't been around the Civ Community since the original release of Red Front, and you are still bangin'em out! (Graduate Scholl is a mother!)
The Battle of Britain would be an outstanding idea!
The Ideas you have down sound great. You could make this senerio harder than Red Front.
"Human control of the RAF and Air defense network (Radar stations and Ack-ack guns). British population and industry represented by an AI producing no military units, just civilians, factories, trade trucks, cargo ships etc...
Human player owns just a handful of factories producing the airplanes and AA guns + fixed airbases (These are units with air carrying capability) across the UK. The Luftwaffe can destroy the airbases reducing the operating ranges of the RAF fighters as well as bomb the aircraft factories. AA guns can be placed in defensive lines to protect the British cities but can't be inside the cities since they are AI controlled.
Luftwaffe scores extra units/money for destroying factories, killing civilians, sinking ships and destroying airbases. If critical mass is reached (ie massive Luftwaffe superiority) an event triggers the release of 100 transport ships with German infantry from French channel ports..."
The last event would make the Sea Lion roar!
Later,
Christian
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