29-10-2003 01:48									#31
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I agree, Immortal Wombat has not read it!



There must be an announcement...

	29-10-2003 01:51									#32
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For those interested, there's a party in the chat room right now...

Tam, what kind of announcement? The news item was posted over an hour ago...

	29-10-2003 01:51									#33
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Forget it i am not writing to activision I still want my ctp beta walker

	29-10-2003 01:52									#34
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Jeez, the one fricking disclaimer I actually did read...

	29-10-2003 01:59									#35
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this is a great big hoax, I just know it

	29-10-2003 02:10									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Jeez, the one fricking disclaimer I actually did read...

My too! Never thought it would happen

Just took my first peak through the code. Looks nice, although A LOT of code can be improved using more modern libraries. Well well, I have an exam tomorrow so I have to stop staring at the monitor. But rest assured, I will be back tomorrow, ready to sink my teeth into this.

	29-10-2003 03:02									#37
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BTW, I think I moved all relevant threads to this forum. If anyone knows of any threads I may have missed, let me know...

	29-10-2003 03:07									#38
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Great ... I have something to do over summer.

* Downloads .

	29-10-2003 03:11									#39
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Silly, Silly,

Summer isn't until June....

J/K

	29-10-2003 05:28									#40
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I wonder if we're allowed to use the SLIC script engine in non-CTP projects?

	29-10-2003 05:39									#41
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I'm thinking not. From the EULA:

quote: New Game Materials may be created only if such New Game Materials can be used exclusively in combination with the retail version of Call to Power II. New Game Materials may not be designed to be used as a stand-alone product.

	29-10-2003 05:44									#42
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But the script engine isn't a "stand-alone product" or a "New Game Material". I suppose it would depend on what they term "New Game Material".

Though I think you're right, an Activision lawyer isn't going to see it that way.

	29-10-2003 05:55									#43
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Exactly... But still, SLIC isn't all that mindblowingly spectacular (from a developer's point of view, anyway). Just a little yacc-generated scripting language. I haven't seen the details yet, but I'm guessing it's all pretty much standard stuff...

	29-10-2003 06:11									#44
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Wow!

Neat!

Really neat!

Ever since it was announced that the CTP2 source was going to be released, I've been trying to learn C++ and browsing open source code. Maybe it's just because I'm more familiar with this project, but (as Jimi Hendrix said when questioned about his rendition of 'The Star Spangled Banner' at Woodstock) "I think it's beautiful."

	29-10-2003 06:12									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Dale I wonder if we're allowed to use the SLIC script engine in non-CTP projects?

If you want a scripting engine for another project, I'll write one for you, so long as you don't mind me doing it in C# .

	29-10-2003 06:19									#46
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway If you want a scripting engine for another project, I'll write one for you, so long as you don't mind me doing it in C# .

It's not so much that I don't know how to do it, but that I'm too lazy to code all that code for each command in the script-compiler.

	29-10-2003 06:24									#47
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See:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=100265

for my progress so far at getting the source to compile.

	29-10-2003 06:25									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Dale It's not so much that I don't know how to do it, but that I'm too lazy to code all that code for each command in the script-compiler.

Well, SLIC won't help you there, because all the commands are specific to CTP...

	29-10-2003 22:49									#49
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Has anybody set up a CVS at Sourceforge or similar? Is there any organization for this?

	30-10-2003 10:39									#50
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I don't see how an open source project could legally be set up according to the EULA. Take a look:

quote: You agree not to sell, rent, lease, license, distribute or otherwise transfer the Call to Power II Source Code, or any copies of the Call To Power II Source Code, without the express prior written consent of Activision. You agree not to make copies of the Call to Power II Source Code or any part thereof, except for back up or archival purposes, or make copies of the materials accompanying the Call to Power II Source Code.

How can we put out our own releases, or even offer CVS access for an open source project, without violating the terms of the EULA? It seems ridiculously prohibitive. Why was this license chosen instead of a GPL-like license with the additional anti-commercial terms added that Activision needs to protect its business? Personally, I won't bother wasting time with this release until the license is changed to something that encourages a development community, rather than being something that will have to be constantly worked around for the entire life of the project.

	30-10-2003 14:25									#51
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Let me repost what I posted on Slashdot before...


Okay, having read through the EULA carefullly (again), here's the deal:

The EULA makes a clear distinction between "Call to Power II Source Code" (i.e. the archive file available from Apolyton) and "New Game Materials", which is not explicitly defined but is clearly implied to mean 'fixed' (possibly compiled) versions of the game.

The EULA forbids anyone from distributing the "Call to Power II Source Code" without express consent from Activision. Apolyton has this consent, so Apolyton is (AFAIK exclusively) allowed to distribute the code. It doesn't say anything like this about the "New Game Materials". In fact it says quite the opposite: the EULA explicitly mentions that you can distribute "New Game Materials" to other gamers, as long as you do so free of charge and meet a couple of other demands (mostly mark it clearly as a non-Activision product).

This means that you're perfectly allowed to make "New Game Materials" from the source code and, once you've done so, you can distribute and copy those however you like (as long as the terms in the EULA are met of course). You don't even have to change anything about the game, just clearly mark it as non-Activision "New Game Material" in the documentation (and in the start-up screen, if it's compiled as an executable), slap your name and email on it, and you're good to go.

If you want to interpret the EULA very strictly, you could argue that a modified yet uncompiled version of the source code doesn't qualify as "New Game Material" but should rather be seen as "Call to Power II Source Code". In that case it can only be distributed through Apolyton. So in theory you might be violating the EULA if you distribute your own 'fixed' source code through any channel other than Apolyton, but I doubt Activision would sue you over that... As Apolyton staff member, I would actually think it would be rather cool if they did ;-)

	30-10-2003 23:12									#52
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The oddest thing happened to me today: I woke up in a parallel universe where Activision released the CtP I/II source code! Wierd huh?

	30-10-2003 23:21									#53
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the you get a good look at the ctp 1 code cause as far as i can tell they haven’t realised it only ctp2 code

	31-10-2003 02:39									#54
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Woah! I leave for a few days and all this happens!

Great news!

	02-11-2003 01:00									#55
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Woah! I leave for a couple of months and look what happens!

*chuckles* Seriously great news.

I've already started looking at the code and figuring out how they've done certain stuff. I'll have to reload VS6, though.

	04-11-2003 19:54									#56
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So the source code has been released already...

Much, much earlier than I expected, I could say.

Well, great!

Many thanks to Joe Rumsey for turning this dream into reality, David Ray and Winnie Lee for participating in this effort and contributing valuable information all this time and Big Mc and the rest for starting up the thread that started all this that we now see

And of cource many thanks go to Activision for realising and implementing a long dream of the CtP funs: the release of source code!