29-10-2003 06:02									#31
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If I were you I would quit altogether, Japher. Next time you get the urge, try to think about the worst hangover you ever had.

	29-10-2003 08:31									#32
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You've got to establish some kind of workable limit that you can hold to. What could work is just never having any alcohol in the house and only drinking socially.

	29-10-2003 08:47									#33
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quote: The born again crowd describes moderation as being the complete absence of drink

Depends on who you talk to. For myself, I might have a drink or two on special occasions, but that's all. I haven't since the summer when I visited my girlfriend.

Others, if they can't handle even one drink, ought not to drink at all. The key concept is that moderation depends on the person. We would agree that one ought not to get drunk simply because of the loss of self-control.

Japher, don't drink this halloween, find someone close to you who does not drink and ask them to spend the night with you. Go to AA because they know how to help you.

I found not drinking at university much easier when I found others who felt the same way.

quote: How have your lives been improved by staying sober?

Haven't drank enough to say that my life has changed. I do know that I have had so many good times without drinking with my good friends.

	29-10-2003 13:40									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly No you won't. the first time you f' up, you'll find some excuse that has nothing to do with your use of alcohol. Ditto the second, third, and fourth times. And so on, ad nauseum (so to speak), until you really **** up: flunk out of school, ruin somebody's wedding/funeral, kill somebody with your car, etc. Only then it will be too late. That's how it is with drunks.

I disagree.

	29-10-2003 14:00									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue I disagree.

Live with them. Love them. Watch them die. Then come back and offer a worthwhile opinion.

	29-10-2003 14:25									#36
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So one person's experience makes the rule?

	29-10-2003 15:00									#37
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I only ever drink socially, and then in moderation...but this often goes to the wall if someone else is paying