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UnOrthOdOx
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Hello....
Jun 2002
time: 22:31
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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
These are mudslinging how exactly? |
How exactly is anything Darekill wrote mudslinging or any worse form of grandstanding? Please, explain it to me. Or is it that GS is just exempt from such things?
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And when exactly called anyone your Trappings a mudslinging campaign? I for my part didn't even read them, let alone say a single word of comment.  |
Im frankly glad you don't see fit to read them. That eliminates one person that could have been the one to report them to the mods. They don't call them that where anyone can see, they prefer to report them or to PM me.
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Look at it this way GS aren't a team of whiners or fun nazis that want everyone to be miserable or to suck all the fun from the game, you know us well enough to know this isn't the case.
Then why do you think that members of GS get annoyed with these things in the public forum? |
I have nothing but respect for the MEMBERS of GS.
Collectively, i have a distaste for the team that goes beyond measure, however.
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Imagine a young Irish child who goes to school one day. He plays a game of marbles agianst 3 English children. In the game the 3 English kids gang up on him and beat him. Then they start poking fun at him saying they are better than him etc etc. He has a pretty big go back at them but is generally upset, as everyone else ganged up on him.
Later he tells the teacher. Is he right too?
The other kids will obviously say that he was mean to them back. Perhaps even suggesting the Irish kids "cries them a river". The 3 children will find it hard to understand why the other child got so upset and perhaps accuse him of whining. Whereas the Irish kid cannot understand why the other 3 behaved the way they did. |
You conveniently forgot to mention how the English kids first asked him to join in as an equal and he refused. Still, at what time have we started poking fun? HOW exactly was that poking fun? Please explain it to me.
You want a reference? Take Roleplay. They have endured FAR more than you EVER have both in game and in the forum. They have given as well as they have received, and despite likely holding some well deserved grudges are not out posting and b*tching every time someone dares to make a CREATIVE post about their team or game events surrounding their team.
And that is the heart of my problem. Leave the creative submissions alone for the love of god!
This is not the first time at Poly I have seen such a thing, but it is the last time I am going to sit and remain quiet about it. Darekill was trying to add to the Poly community and you guys came in and quickly berrated him. This may be the only forum I am active in of late, but I will not stand idly by and watch such childish behavior.
Go ahead, go tell the teacher, but don't expect me to not at least attempt to meet you after school.
I want GS removed from this game. Period. Not for anything quantifiable or In-Game, but to return some fun to this forum. Nothing against the individuals, but the TEAM. I know I am not alone whether those others choose to speak up or not is their own decision.
I honestly feel GS is the heart of the matter in sucking this game dry of fun by the constant line of complaints on fun or creative posts and mourning of lost members, and I want it to stop. This requires a removal of the team. If I had my way, I'ld gift all their land to Vox as well if only so that Beta would be a world leader again and start making funny posts once more, even if they are at the expense of my own team, I would at least be entertained.
GS, you want me to be silent? Kill my unit and I will. Sir UnOrthOdOx is somewhere near the Alamo.
Bring it. I'll be there.
Sir UnOrthOdOx: Rider 4.3.3 - 3 War chickens killed, no retreats to date.
Aggie, I formally request that my search for MrWIA be put on hold and I be used to remove this GS atrocity from off of Bob, and god willing the game.
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Sir Ralph
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Long live teh Schwampel!
Dec 2001
time: 06:31
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Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
That is what started the thing here, but.
Let me rephrase.
How is what Darekill wrote any different from those? |
You can't quote me, because I didn't say this. Next time inform yourself better before you launch an attack.
I already said, I hold no grudge against him. I find his poem superfluous and in terms poetry awfully bad, but I don't deem it mudslinging. Neither do I deem funny stories mudslinging.
What I do call mudslinging is what started with "Vox public announcements", where we with blatant lies were blamed to have not honored treaties and agreements while the opposite was true. This behavior has nothing to do with informing non-players what's going on. It is just putting down a team, nothing else. Beta apologized later for it, kudos to him and neither I nor anyone else in our team (I'm sure) still holds any grudge against him.
What concerns the attacks from your team later, when you broke our NAP again blaming it on us, they made me just ignore the lions share of your team. Not by adding you to my ignore list of course, but just by not responding to the bull. Works just fine.
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UnOrthOdOx
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Hello....
Jun 2002
time: 22:31
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You can't quote me, because I didn't say this. |
You want to play the QUOTE game huh?
OK.
Go back and read my post. Did I call them mudslinging?
No. I just said GS has participated in the same as what happened in this thread. Pot, meet Kettle. Perhaps YOU should check and inform yourself as well.
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What concerns the attacks from your team later, when you broke our NAP again blaming it on us |
dead horse time, huh?
I informed your team after Bilbao that any further 'gifting' would be seen as an act of aggression, then you are surprised that when you accept another city we consider it breaking the NAP. Fine whatever.
Yes, we TECHNICALLY broke the NAP IN GAME by being the first to act aggressively. So, if we were an AI, we would have broken it. However, it should have been no surprise, and you acting like it was is laughable.
Hell, you sent a letter to ND saying you were going to save RP. That may as well been a declaration of war on us, having committed to removing them. DUH!!! Maybe we would see that as breaking the NAP? Nah....we're an AI, we only see what happens IN GAME, right?
It is only with the recent change in GS leadership that I have felt you guys have seen us as anything other than an AI, though.  on them changing my opinion in that reguard.
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UnOrthOdOx
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Hello....
Jun 2002
time: 22:31
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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Replying to a blame of mudslinging with the words "You have participated in it as well" should settle this. |
Um...I was replying to THIS:
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yes yes, perhaps I was too vague
in this thread ND ask why the save is delayed from GS.
In this thread is the reason. |
GS has participated in exactly the type of stuff found in this thread.
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Gosh, I don't care that you broke the NAP, so no need to explain it. We expected it, as a matter of fact. I'm just upset that it was, again, blamed on us. |
Again, GS treating us like an AI.
It's only the act of violence that breaks the NAP in your eyes. Not the threatening accepting of 'gifts'. Landing of troops without permission, or writing a declaration of war. All of those are perfectly fine and not breaking the NAP, right?
Give me a break. You guys are as much at fault as us. If you can't see that, we will just have to disagree.
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asleepathewheel
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listening too long to one song
Mar 2002
time: 00:31
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Pass the bottle of Prozac
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asleepathewheel
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listening too long to one song
Mar 2002
time: 00:31
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Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
Im frankly glad you don't see fit to read them. That eliminates one person that could have been the one to report them to the mods. They don't call them that where anyone can see, they prefer to report them or to PM me.
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Any ideas on who did that? I find that to be pretty....well on a panag level if you know what I mean. anyway, its highly doubtful that (if it was a GS person) that they are still active on the team
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Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
I have nothing but respect for the MEMBERS of GS.
Collectively, i have a distaste for the team that goes beyond measure, however. |
Its just a game. 
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Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
You want a reference? Take Roleplay. They have endured FAR more than you EVER have both in game and in the forum. They have given as well as they have received, and despite likely holding some well deserved grudges are not out posting and b*tching every time someone dares to make a CREATIVE post about their team or game events surrounding their team. |
Immortal beloved anyone?
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Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
I honestly feel GS is the heart of the matter in sucking this game dry of fun by the constant line of complaints on fun or creative posts and mourning of lost members, and I want it to stop. This requires a removal of the team.
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If you want us removed, then you're going to have to bring it to Stormia. And I think you remember the last time GoW landed troops on our shores, and what happened the last time we were invaded at home.
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Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
GS, you want me to be silent? Kill my unit and I will. Sir UnOrthOdOx is somewhere near the Alamo.
Bring it. I'll be there. |
Roflmao, give it a rest man, we don't give a rat's ass about your unit. You are the one that is making this into something personal.
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Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
Aggie, I formally request that my search for MrWIA be put on hold and I be used to remove this GS atrocity from off of Bob, and god willing the game. |
good show
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UnOrthOdOx
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Hello....
Jun 2002
time: 22:31
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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Oh come on Unorthodox, stop it already! I will too, promise. Even though it amuses me a bit to see you fret and fume.  I think you should read again all of my posts in this thread and you will see, that you're just wasting your talent barking up the wrong tree, since I have nothing against Darekills poem (even though he never will turn into a Goethe, honestly). Will ya?
In fact, some posters, particularly even from your team, understand my point of view. Why can't you? |
Sir Ralph, I fully understand and respect your PoV reguarding Darekill.
My first post was to one OPD who has been using "GS" and presumably speaking on behalf of GS, not himself. Anything beyond that has been responding to your quoting of that or later posts, nothing more.
If you will read my own posts, I am not arguing for mudslinging as you describe, but for people complaining about the creative works such as are found in this thread. Surely you can see the difference.
I'm not saying people need like them, but the should appreciate the effort.
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Roflmao, give it a rest man, we don't give a rat's ass about your unit. You are the one that is making this into something personal. |
Just throwing in some Roleplaying. I have a named unit, that allows me to personify both in and out of game. I personally enjoy it. If you care or not is not my concern. Yes, I am making it personal. As personal as my search for MrWIA, the dirty rotten no good child killer.
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If you want us removed, then you're going to have to bring it to Stormia. And I think you remember the last time GoW landed troops on our shores, and what happened the last time we were invaded at home. |
Still have that wall of units preventing such a thing from being POSSIBLE? I honestly haven't looked in a while.
If I have any say, which I am but one voice, I will most surely see to us landing. Never fear of that my friend.
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Immortal beloved anyone?
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Best you can do is something...how many months ago?
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Any ideas on who did that? I find that to be pretty....well on a panag level if you know what I mean. anyway, its highly doubtful that (if it was a GS person) that they are still active on the team |
No idea, it's not allowed to ask. There is pretty decent evidence it was from GS, though.
One bad apple....
Hence, I respect the members, not the team. The bunch is spoiled.
Yes it is, Hence, I respect the members, but not the team. The team must die
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Hot_Enamel
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Melbourne, Australia
Aug 2002
time: 14:31
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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
What I do call mudslinging is what started with "Vox public announcements", where we with blatant lies were blamed to have not honored treaties and agreements while the opposite was true. This behavior has nothing to do with informing non-players what's going on.
What concerns the attacks from your team later, when you broke our NAP again blaming it on us, they made me just ignore the lions share of your team. |
Sir Ralph, it really is a god damn shame that you have also not joined the exodus of GS players to leave your team.
You are truly far better suited, to sticking with the SP strategy forum, and killing AI.
You sound childish claiming you did not see the humour within the Vox Announcements.
And you make yourself and your team look foolish everytime you try and defend your teams position as not agressive against GoW.
Yes..if you were dealing with AI, GoW broke th NAP. But we are NOT AI
Your team took aggressive actions against GoW that the majority of human players within this game clearly agree.
And while I am on a role.... everytime you or a GS member blames your recent defeats on membership loss due to other teams mudslinging, you are coming across as a bunch of snot nosed elitists who's ego is desperately looking for someone else to blame for their own failings.
We know the bulk of GS membership is not like that, but please do yourself and your team a favour and stick to SP. You are hurting this game and your team by bemoaning the play style of other teams.
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:31
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H_E,
Our membership problems are a fact, not an excuse we're trying to hide behind. At least I'm not hiding behind it. Our present difficulties in-game are clearly due to choices we've made (or failed to make), in conjunction with choices the other teams have made (or failed to make). That's patently obvious. So obvious, in fact, that I didn't think it requires mention.
As for the repeated claims that GS treats other teams as if they were the AI, I can only laugh. Our negotiations with the various teams (from Vox, to GoW, to RP, Lego...) go far beyond that. We obviously aren't as adept at diplomacy as some of the other teams, but just because our strength lay in domestic planning doesn't mean we were ignoring other teams, or treating them as if they weren't human!
Finally, I still disagree with your characterization of our acceptance of RP's cities as "aggression," but it doesn't really matter. That issue has been thoroughly discussed, and I really don't think it needs further discussion.
-Arrian
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Hot_Enamel
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Melbourne, Australia
Aug 2002
time: 14:31
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Originally posted by Arrian
H_E,
Our membership problems are a fact, not an excuse we're trying to hide behind. At least I'm not hiding behind it. Our present difficulties in-game are clearly due to choices we've made (or failed to make), in conjunction with choices the other teams have made (or failed to make). That's patently obvious. So obvious, in fact, that I didn't think it requires mention. |
We agree then...
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Originally posted by Arrian
As for the repeated claims that GS treats other teams as if they were the AI, I can only laugh. Our negotiations with the various teams (from Vox, to GoW, to RP, Lego...) go far beyond that. We obviously aren't as adept at diplomacy as some of the other teams, but just because our strength lay in domestic planning doesn't mean we were ignoring other teams, or treating them as if they weren't human! |
GS are truly the masters of domestic planning 
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Originally posted by Arrian
Finally, I still disagree with your characterization of our acceptance of RP's cities as "aggression," but it doesn't really matter. That issue has been thoroughly discussed, and I really don't think it needs further discussion.
-Arrian |
I am more than happy to agree to disagee on this point.
It's moot, and has already been passionately debated.
(But it was not I who first brought it up this time )
I really do respect the bulk of the membership of GS.
I have learnt an incrediable amount about this game from the strategy forum/SPDG/ISDG and analysis of your teams tactics in this PTWDG.
But I also respectively say, your team also has its fair share of whiners...who's only goal is to hijack the game into their own playstyle.
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Theseus
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The warmonger formerly known as rpodos. Gathering Storm! Apolyton Spirit!!
Apr 2002
time: 00:31
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Enough bad blood, everyone. And I do mean everyone!
Acknowledged: Inter-team relations have been difficult due to different styles... in gameplay, diplomacy, attitude, etc.
This keeps rearing its ugly head... and GS often seems to be involved. We will do all that we can to minimize that issue; we ask that the other teams try to move on from the past.
Can we get back to the game, folks, and have a little fun? And for those aspects of the game that are played out in PMs, chats, and the public forum... I BEG, on my hands and knees, that those of you who enjoy and thrive on those aspects RETURN, in full force!!
And can somebody PLEASE write the epic Fall of the War Chickens?
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02-12-2003 17:55
, I didn't know this. Explains a part of your rage, but how do you know that it is to blame on our team? Prejudice? Or are you reading the cards?
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