02-11-2003 23:03									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: LBJ was definitely the standard by which all "0" candidates are gauged by. And MrFun... I rated Reagan a 10 as well... wow.. welcome to the Republican side . Didn't know you liked him so much.

Hey jackass, I made a mistake -- have you ever made a mistake before in your life??

	02-11-2003 23:07									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: LBJ was definitely the standard by which all "0" candidates are gauged by. And MrFun... I rated Reagan a 10 as well... wow.. welcome to the Republican side . Didn't know you liked him so much.

Haven't you noticed him creeping further and further right. I think he wants to be Sloww's snugglebunny. He'll be a Log Cabin Republican yet.

	02-11-2003 23:24									#33
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quote: I think he wants to be Sloww's snugglebunny.

Especially with his last post... that's like Sloww in training .

	02-11-2003 23:33									#34
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To the people who believe that Reagan failed us economically, he presided over the greatest economic expansion in US history. He ended price controls, cut taxes, restrained the growth in spending, and appointed people to the Fed who fought inflation.

Reaganomics did, in fact, work.

He helped defeat communism by resisting it, by building up the militarily, and by standing up to Gorbachev on Star Wars.

I agree that he failed in Lebanon, not by withdrawing but by being sucked into "mission creep."

	02-11-2003 23:34									#35
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quote: he presided over the greatest economic expansion in US history

I thought it was the 2nd greatest... but yeah, the point still stands.

	02-11-2003 23:49									#36
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Haven't you noticed him creeping further and further right. I think he wants to be Sloww's snugglebunny. He'll be a Log Cabin Republican yet.

	02-11-2003 23:51									#37
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I'm not to young to remember. In 1979 the country had lost confidence in itself. Many people said that we were now second to the Russians militarily. The national spirit was all but broken. Vietnam loomed large on every decision we made militarily. Production facilities were aging and the Japanese were kicking our economic a$$.

Then along comes Reagan. He made us all believe again. The heartbeat of the country begin to quicken again. The country started reasserting itself. People begin to believe in the American dream again. Once again we were proud to be Americans.

Reagan is an 11.

	02-11-2003 23:52									#38
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3. Deranged politically and horrible economically, but not as bad as Warren G. Harding or George W. Bush.

	02-11-2003 23:55									#39
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO I'm not to young to remember. In 1979 the country had lost confidence in itself. Many people said that we were now second to the Russians militarily. The national spirit was all but broken. Vietnam loomed large on every decision we made militarily. Production facilities were aging and the Japanese were kicking our economic a$$. Then along comes Reagan. He made us all believe again. The heartbeat of the country begin to quicken again. The country started reasserting itself. People begin to believe in the American dream again. Once again we were proud to be Americans. Reagan is an 11.

	03-11-2003 00:06									#40
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Anybody who was not there simply cannot appreciate how great the transformation was between the failed Carter administration to the great Reagan administration. Reagan restored the United States as no other president ever did.

	03-11-2003 00:10									#41
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun God fvcking damn it. So I made a mistake -- I meant 1.

hahahahaha

Mr. Fun republican in disguise

	03-11-2003 00:12									#42
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As for economics. I do believe reaganomics was good for the country.

That is one thing I do give him credit for. It took a while though. The early 80's were very bad for my family. But I can't place that blame on him totally. Carter may be to blame for that as well.

I think a measure of a president's economic policies show in their second term. And the later 80's were much better economically.

If it weren't for all the scandals, and Reagan's wishy washy foriegn policy, I would rate him as a good president.

	03-11-2003 00:12									#43
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Hey jackass, I made a mistake -- have you ever made a mistake before in your life??

Errr, no, I'm pretty sure he's a Republican.

Republicans don't make mistakes, we just get bad intelligence.

	03-11-2003 00:14									#44
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Reagan's lack of guts to responding to Beirut was an indirect cause to 9/11. Discuss

*runs away*

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Dissident, there was nothing at all wrong with Reagan's foreign policy. He stopped communism in its tracks. That is the exact opposite of wishy-washy.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Reagan's lack of guts to responding to Beirut was an indirect cause to 9/11. Discuss *runs away*

Who wants to open the discussion on Dissident running away?

Kind of reminds me of Bill Clinton during Vietnam.....

	03-11-2003 00:18									#47
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ahh yes, the great Bill Clinton.

nothing like smoking a joint while your buddies are dying in some unjust war.

I'm not sure what that means, but I thought I would say it.

	03-11-2003 00:20									#48
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Dissident-You must remember the times and the stigma of Vietnam that was still in the air. This was the first real military chance we had taken since Vietnam. The response at the time was thought to be proportional. I can remember pictures of the battleship opening up on the hills over Beruit. You would see a tiny little artillery flash and seconds later the entire hillside would erupt as a 16inch shell hit that location. It was impressive.

The concept of overwhelming force was probably developed as a result of Beruit. The country was still not willing at that point to do what it had to. Reagan's philosophy changed that over time and the terrorist are paying a large price now for not realizing that.

	03-11-2003 00:22									#49
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I'll give you that. It did take a while for the U.S. to find it's legs after Vietnam.

Though I'm not sure that is a good thing. Now we aren't shy at all about invading countries anymore with Bush as prez.

Is that a good or a bad thing?

	03-11-2003 00:23									#50
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Good thing.

	03-11-2003 00:26									#51
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I think that it is a good thing. The US has as much right as anybody to protect our national interest. People are just pissed because we have the means as well. I dare say that if Iraq had had the capacity to conquer the US that Saddam would not have waited or given a $hit what the world thought.

	03-11-2003 00:28									#52
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I agree with PLATO.

I also agree with Socrates on a few things.

	03-11-2003 00:29									#53
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I agree with PLATO. I also agree with Socrates on a few things.

Me to. He was my mentor afterall

	03-11-2003 00:41									#54
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Mr. Fun, you never did answer my followup question in the other thread...

	03-11-2003 00:48									#55
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Do not impute into that time our thinking today. At that time, terrorism was primarily directed against Israel. We were attacked in Lebanon because we transformed a neutral peacekeeping mission into a pro-Christian mission. Had we simply stayed neutral, nothing would have happened to our troops.

I repeat, the failure in Lebanon was mission creep.

The same thing happened in Vietnam where support for the SV gov't turned into a US war. Clearly, after the bombing, Reagan realized that he was falling into the Vietnam trap. He is to be applauded for withdrawing, IMHO.

	03-11-2003 02:04									#56
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Mr. Fun, you never did answer my followup question in the other thread...

"other thread"


Gee, I should be able to locate WTF you're talking about in no time.

	03-11-2003 02:44									#57
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quote: He helped defeat communism by resisting it, by building up the militarily, and by standing up to Gorbachev on Star Wars.

gorbachev? he needed standing up to? well, i suppose... he knew he was facing a decaying system--and what he tried to do--and failed--was to modernize soviet russia.

what he didn't realize was that a soviet system cannot engender the same vibrant life that democracy does. reagan was merely there, and lucky. we won the cold war, not the president.

	03-11-2003 02:51									#58
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Really, when you people credit Regan with the end of the cold war...All I can do is laugh.
The Soviet Union was on the road to collapse. It's people were not happy. It's economy was doing down the tubes. Dissenting was becoming more commonplace.
Regan was at the right place at the right time. Heck, with the situation given...If I were leader I could've brought the union down

And to say Regan was your greatest president That borders on complete ignorance IMO.

I gave him a 4.

Oh, and so far...
Those on the upper side (6-10) have 1 less vote than those on the lower side. Interestingly enough, nobody seems to think he was simply average (5).

	03-11-2003 03:00									#59
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun "other thread" Gee, I should be able to locate WTF you're talking about in no time.

Sorry -- given the subject and time frame, I thought you would.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...gan#post2432326

	03-11-2003 03:02									#60
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I haven't voted yet -- are we considering this to be an absolute, or a relative scale?