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JohnT
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Mar 1999
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Kid, somebody will have to be the one who hands out the hammers.
Or do you expect us to find out who has the hammer and then try to get in on the list of folks who needs the hammer? If so, who keeps the list. They're the one with power, authority, the ability to exploit.
In short, how do you expect the hammer to be handled, inventoried, stored, etc? How are 2,000 hammers to be allocated among 300,000 citizens? Somebody has to keep track of them, and that person is the new exploiter in Kids system.... the exploiter that the system is supposed to do without.
And I'm still trying to figure out how I can live in this world, one with a minimum of twenty stores that sell hammers in a 5 mile radius (for less than 2 hours of minimum wage), and be considered exploited by the hammer merchants. It just blows my mind.
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JohnT
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Mar 1999
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Originally posted by Kidicious
I've had enough spam for right now. |
And I've had enough of your constant dismissal of my point, which is that your "system" is set up in a way where a single individual has control over entire segments of the economy, i.e. the "Roto Tiller" planner and the hammer planner. This is a system that will lead to exploitation the likes that you have never witnessed, and, apparently, studiously ignore in your readings of the history of practical application of Communist ideology and many ancient philosophies in which control of the masses was the main goal.
For what it seems your after is a modernized fusion of Communism and Confucianism, where educated society is involved almost exclusively in the planning the lives of the uneducated masses, giving birth to a monolithic bureaucracy the likes of which have been unseen in the history of Man.
Fvck that. I have no more desire to be the Hammer Planner than I have desire to subject myself to the whims of such a "civil servant." I prefer a "chaotic" uncontrolled system where I have a choice of 20+ different places to purchase, using a portion of my labor (earnings), to get said hammer. And to keep it, without worrying about reallocating it back in the community pool of hammers.
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The Andy-Man
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Jul 2001
time: 05:31
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Originally posted by Kidicious
I see your point. The object is to produce the goods and services that society needs. In a communist system prices could be used to help planners determine what those needs are. The prices would also determine the efficient allocation of goods already produced. |
Which is basicly what prices do already, if there are high prices there is a shortage, so more companies produce that item, increasing supply and cutting the price, the cut price indicates over supply, less companies produce etc
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The prices would not be the only determinant though. Let's say that the videos were checked out for $10 a night and there were no shortages or surpluses at that price. That would indicate that people have a preference for videos. However, there are higher priorities than videos. Food, housing, police, fire fighting etc. have to come first. When resources become available more videos should be produced and the price should be lowered. |
So, when there is a high demand for something (like food), it gets put up the priority list, ie receives more input from the economy to produce more output to fill the demand. Isn't this what happens already?
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06-11-2003 01:47
Brilliant, Kid. You've solved the world's problems.
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