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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
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Originally posted by Thriller
Skywalker.....having read his latest few posts, I would have to agree with you - he is a moron and stark raving mad to boot.
Shogun - gee, you know who your friends are here! We've never even met and you're telling our mafia friend CharlesBHoff aka Jimmy Hoffa to whack me!!! Oh well, wait till I meet you in multiplay! (if I ever work out how to use AND have the time to commit without having to pull out half way through!) |
Cleaning money was sersious for any orgin crime. It was done by outsider with no criminal record(major crime, not you got parking ticket afew time) use what they call in the spy bussience dead letter drop an go in between. The person who the cleaning knew top level people in the money tranfer department whom ok's where need and plus they knew how to answer the question being ask about the money. They have contact in hight place who where well pay to help in the
cleaning procruess. They went to Swiss Bank with the poper forms complete to do than wire transfer of the money to than swiss bank account in the name of than cut-out with no criminal record who was paid to be the owner of that money for awhile. They did as many as ten wask cycles moveing the money to than other nation or swiss bank. At that time many nation share alist of orginate crime figure with each other which was pass on to
public banks. Only once did than small crime figure try to do
it himself an found out the hard way how tought it was to do. Even swiss bank will queston than person who want to
make than large cash despot in they bank just to meet certain mortal and legal standard. Bank can question any amount of money being despot in they bank, if I was than Italyian bussienman or woman to want to open than account for than few thousand dollar I only need to say that I want to do bussien with Swiss Companies I than traveling an want to have than current account(like america checking account) so I donot have to carry all that money around an that would saturity the bank moral and legal standard.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
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This french company will be in bussien than lot long than SCO
which is sueing IBM for copyright infimate in the Limox OS case. The federal judge gave SCO 30 days to put up or shut up by giveing IBM lawyer the proof they ask for in legal discover.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
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Atari will still be in bussien alot longer than some america think. First alot of people in El Paso ignore the MaxisNew.com
boy of French good. Alot of El Paso along with out House represt thought the desivion of our Congress to rename French fry freedom fry absolute funny than laughtable in El Paso we still called then French Fry. Alot of NM town are passing resoul against the Partot Act which is takeing away alot of our freedom under the Bill of Right . First in El Paso the Christian Fundie are than min group in El Paso compare to the rest of Texas and the South.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
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Well Atari isnot going to be than other Enron, Global Crossing which are almost dead America company. Enron went from 98 dollar ashare all the way down to less than 1 dollar ashare stock. I would like to have than enought money to go to french to ride they hight speed train that goes 268 mph, then to germany and japon to ride they hight speed train. The French Railroad is well run I hear compare to America railroad system.
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Shogun Gunner
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Potomac Falls, Virginia
Oct 2000
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CMH: That comparison doesn't hold water.
Many modern companies are totally serviced oriented or deal in "information" and not assets. In a loose definition, I would put Enron and Atari in the same category. Neither own oil wells or assets (with the additional benefit of low overhead as you point out). Additionally, as you suggest in your post, companies with large cap assets is a way for a company to have something to fall back on.
If people hate every software program released by Atari, Atari's financial performance will sink like a heavy stone just like Enron did. The only thing Atari "owns" would be copyrights, trademarks, etc. to software programs (unless they have diversified into other industries - I don't really know that). Enron had contracts, financial relationships, etc. Both are paper assets. The difference is that Atari, or the companies it bought, have produced software which people like - which the consumer or investor has confidence in.
Obviously, people lost confidence in Enron, for very good reason. Stock price is a crude indicator of confidence, due to investor evaluation of the company - and it fell from record highs to worthless very quickly. The problem with Enron was illegal activities, false reporting, etc. which distorted the true financial view of the company. This is what distorted an investor's evaluation of the strength of Enron.
I believe reviewing Theseus' posts would be worthwhile. He works in that industry after all. But even a step further back would worthwhile... the reason for this thread is to discuss the future of the Civilization franchise in light of Atari's financial performance. Strong company + strong demand for Civ games = new, full featured Civ 4. I believe that is the line of this discussion.
Not trying to be funny, but talking about French and Japan bullet trains, the mafia, the Catholic church, etc. just aren't on topic. I'm with Vince, mrmitchell, et al on this - Ming has been very gracious for whatever reason, but it's really up to us to help keep to the rules and spirit of this site.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Shogun Gunner
CMH: That comparison doesn't hold water.
Many modern companies are totally serviced oriented or deal in "information" and not assets. In a loose definition, I would put Enron and Atari in the same category. Neither own oil wells or assets (with the additional benefit of low overhead as you point out). Additionally, as you suggest in your post, companies with large cap assets is a way for a company to have something to fall back on.
If people hate every software program released by Atari, Atari's financial performance will sink like a heavy stone just like Enron did. The only thing Atari "owns" would be copyrights, trademarks, etc. to software programs (unless they have diversified into other industries - I don't really know that). Enron had contracts, financial relationships, etc. Both are paper assets. The difference is that Atari, or the companies it bought, have produced software which people like - which the consumer or investor has confidence in.
Obviously, people lost confidence in Enron, for very good reason. Stock price is a crude indicator of confidence, due to investor evaluation of the company - and it fell from record highs to worthless very quickly. The problem with Enron was illegal activities, false reporting, etc. which distorted the true financial view of the company. This is what distorted an investor's evaluation of the strength of Enron.
I believe reviewing Theseus' posts would be worthwhile. He works in that industry after all. But even a step further back would worthwhile... the reason for this thread is to discuss the future of the Civilization franchise in light of Atari's financial performance. Strong company + strong demand for Civ games = new, full featured Civ 4. I believe that is the line of this discussion.
Not trying to be funny, but talking about French and Japan bullet trains, the mafia, the Catholic church, etc. just aren't on topic. I'm with Vince, mrmitchell, et al on this - Ming has been very gracious for whatever reason, but it's really up to us to help keep to the rules and spirit of this site. |
Enron asset where finicial contactor which are wallstreet side bet cannot be used to support than Bank loan the Fed
and other centeral bank rules and most state bank board in America went along with the fed ruleing( State Bank Board are not bond to follow Fed ruleing) . While other contact can be used to get bank loan. Even than world of information need real asset and goods to run. Like foods,metal,oils and engery to run. Enron accounting scandal took alot of person fund manger by surfice than they didnot unload they holding of Enron fast enought. They where to merger with than Germany energy company, it seem like the Germany company hire someone like me who have sersious doutb about Enron balance but
was unable to put their finger on what they where hideing(
this isnot unusal in accounting to think that the books are cook and not to know why). So the Germany company back out of the merger with Enron and the mess hit the fan after this. To detect cook books once must know how to cook books. Enron basely increase they earming by cooking their book to have lower expenses so they would have highter earming which fool alot of people who look at one number only back then maining earming and didnot look at the other numbers also. It the other number donot support the cooked number is than good sign that the books are cooked.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
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Where did they move they headquater.
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10-12-2003 11:22
) are for the most part a mess these days... I don't know why one would highlight them in a generally positive regard.
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