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st_swithin
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Nov 2002
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Originally posted by DaShi
So rioting and threatening Japanese students who weren't even born at the time is the proper response. Or is China just waiting for the chance to commit its own atrocities on the Japanese. I agree wholeheartedly that Japan needs to apologize and generally be more contrite for its actions during WWII, but bad behavior is still bad behavior. And the reasons for these riots are tenuous. |
There is no proper response. Unfortunately, when a people hold their collective tongue for so long while simultaneously expecting contrition, respect, and recognition, any catalyst will serve to open the floodgates and result in an inappropriately disproportionate response.
Culturally, Chinese people tend to be rather less forthcoming about discussing events which are troubling or painful, instead choosing to hold it all in and hoping that it will all just go without saying.
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Alinestra Covelia
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I sense the dodgy presence of Bing - a presence I've not felt since...
Feb 2000
time: 00:32
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It doesn't surprise me that this was a British article. The Missouri School of Journalism has deep respect for the British broadcast media, but general consensus here is that American print media has the UK's print media beat hands down for objectivity and interpretative journalism without overframing.
The Guardian is already politically closer to the Chinese ideology than most British papers. Some quotes from the article would not be likely to appear in mainstream US broadsheets like the Washington Post or the New York Times, except perhaps on the op/ed pages.quote:
If the performers had been Chinese, Russian or European, that would probably have been the end of the matter. But the fact that they were Japanese turned a cultural misunderstanding into an international incident |
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The outcry sparked by the innocuous display of student humour this week is the latest and most bizarre in a series of public demonstrations against anything Japanese |
Both of these paragraphs are fine as editorial opinions, but they're not objective enough to stand up as factual reporting. I admire the reporter's attempt to contextualize the situation, but I don't feel that this attempt is backed up with enough facts or sources to bring it out of the veil of subjectivity.
Of course, this already counts as pretty high quality British print reporting, so I suppose I shouldn't complain. It's a hell of a lot better than what the US broadcast media would make of it, at any rate. (FOX News, anybody?)
Meanwhile, have a picture of my roommate dressed in drag.
I think this should spark an international incident against all American born Chinese who were educated in Britain. What do you think?
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mrmitchell
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Any reaction at all over college kids making pranks is outrageous.
If the prank was done in America then they'd get applause and good humor, not this protest crap.
(Well, someone would protest, but it wouldn't be things like "articles in teh national media accusing them of humiliating china" etc.)
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
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If you look at the whole modern history, it goes beyond mass butchery like Nanjing, beheading contests, gang rape sports until the victims literally died of internal hemorhaging, live dissections, live prisoners used at random for bayonet and sword practice, and a host of other things. You also have a mass of propaganda caricaturing the lowly, greasy, stupid, ignorant Chinese and the glorious Japanese, portrayals of every sort of stereotype and mockery of the Chinese individually, as a people, nationally, culturally. And this legacy of mockery and degradation occurred as the background to slavery, torture and genocide of unimagineable proportions.
The holocaust really pales in comparison, but the reason it's more prominent is that it lethally affected so much larger a percentage of the Jewish population of Europe. The Japanese simply couldn't butcher that many Chinese in the time they had, not for lack of trying - plus they also made it recreation, as opposed to an industrially effiecient process.
Add to that the complete denial, lack of apology or accounting because China went commie and we felt it convenient to look the other way at Japanese war crimes for the sake of the cold war - and the Japanese, individually and nationally got away with a hell of a lot vis-a-vis their treatment of the peoples they conquered. We not only had a lot less of Japanese "hospitality" with Pearl, the Bataan Death March, the mass murder of civilian construction personnel on Wake Island, POW executions at Makin Island, that did the Chinese, we had the catharsis of beating them ****ing senseless from Edson's Ridge right up to Nagasaki. We don't need no apologies, we got what we needed when we left an Ace of Spades on their dead asses.
The Chinese got dealt so many orders of magnitude worse that there isn't even a scale for it, and most of those atrocities and crimes were never answered for. Hell, you've got apologists, minimizers and deniers of Japanese warcrimes sitting in their government now, including at the national legislative level. In Japanese schoolbooks on modern Japanese history, those things essentially never happened. If you want to make an Israeli-German analogy, then you have to think in terms of a Germany where holocaust denial is de facto policy, and where neo-Nazis and holocaust deniers are active members of the government.
So we're not really in a position to judge their level of sensitivity about any sort of perceived insult. If the Chinese go ballistic, they have a lot of reason for it. As far as them being the ones to let it go - that's BS until the Japanese "let it go" by dropping the rationalizations, denials and evasion of the truth.
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shawnmmcc
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To add on to what MichaeltheGreat stated. It's a bigger problem when both governments teach a very slanted and propogandized history to their children. Please understand, the US could do better - who here knows what the Salt River Massacre was, or the biggest mass hanging in the history of the United States (hint, during the civil war) - but compared to what has happened in Japan and China we are a bright and shining star when it comes to teaching our children history.
The Chinese are hypersensitive collectively, and often individually, about any cultural insensitivity by any Japanese, and see it as an "ugly" Japanese, aka the "ugly American". Considering the unresolved history and government meddling gives it context. It's sad, but very human. South Korea seems to have worked through the issue of Japan's brutul occupation, maybe they would have some tips for China and Japan?
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shawnmmcc
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That's true, but it seems they are not quite as hyper-sensitive as the Chinese. Of course, I'll be honest, I don't follow the news out of South Korea too closely.
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16-11-2003 08:48
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Scary. Why do I think China will attempt to conquer Japan now?
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