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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:32
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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Just for the sake of information, and no harm intended:
Technically I am in the GWT, but I just made about three posts there and then completely disappeared, because I considered myself a team change after the game started to be quite fishy. I didn't want to be the cause for grudges or attacks after the unpleasant experiences in this game. And I see now (lurking), that there a lot of hot discussions between the teams too (fortify all, anyone?), which shows me, that this decision was right. |
Sir Ralph, to be completely honest, I doubt anyone on the Apolyton team has ever looked at GWT and felt some grudge at the fact that you left our own. In fact, and you are definitely a witness, that some us approached you recently to try and help with a little issue at hand regarding our two teams. Dare I say that instead of looking at you and thinking "oh, he's the bastard that left us" most of would have looked at you as "oh, cool, here's a Poly member who can perhaps help bring our teams together".
(and who knows, if you ever de-lurk at GWT that just might happen)
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Aeson
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orangesoda
Nov 2001
time: 22:32
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Aeson, no offense but I will not follow through with your word games because frankly everyone knows what we both are talking about and shielding comments by the excuse that they are not targeted at someone or that you never said them is pretty pointless when the attitude and intention is all but obvious. |
Quoting is a word game? 
All I ask is if you attribute a statement to me, that you quote the source you derived it from. Then I can tell you if you are interpreting it right or not, or at least reference what you are talking about.
As for the general meaning of that paragraph, I have very little clue what you are talking about. That sentence is almost convoluted enough that I could have written it. Please explain it?
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The fact is that you have constantly stepped into defend what is generally considered to be GS's point of view, and this debate is no exception. I of course understand that having been a valued member of GS it is only natural for you to defend your former team, but please, don't expect us to consider you a completely unbiased and neutral individual in this discussion when the points you've been defending have been precisely those which the "GoW side" has been criticizing. |
I only have knowlege of the game through the 'eyes' of GS, during the time I was in the game, so certainly, all my statements about things which happened in-game are biased by that view. Of course, I will debate about different game related events. To me that is fun. I will probably usually take GS' side in those debates (if I didn't agree with what we were doing then, I wouldn't have supported it), though there are exceptions.
I have never said otherwise. All I have said is that I am currently not concerned with the way the game progresses from this point out. If you disagree, find a post, and quote it. Otherwise, I would hope you have the integrity to stop lying here in this forum about things I have said.
I have said that I am biased against you. I think your posting style is a disease that infects most internet forums, and it sickens me to see the same old thing brought into forums which I chose to participate in mainly due to the lack of that disease. I do not have problems with GoW, other than those problems I have with you, HE, and GF as concerns this forum. I cannot help that you three are on the same team, but if you go back to previous discussions, both here and on other forums, you will see that I have made the same arguments against others who are not affiliated with GoW in any way.
Admittedly, I am using some of the same problematic posting style here, partly as sarcasm, partly just to relieve some stress, and partly because that's what diseases do, they infect people. Right?
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Secondly, I think you people (and by that I some of the GS crowd) thinks that what happens in this game carries on to other games and to their RL personas. That is not true at all. |
Certainly what happens in this game carries on to my view of people's real life persona, my own included. If only in my own estimation. You can't tell me that it doesn't. That is a completely ludicrous and egocentric statement.
You can say you don't think it should reflect, and that in your estimation it doesnt, but not that it doesn't in an absolute sense.
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Please, get over the fact that what happens here, stays here. It does not affect the perception of you people as individuals or as members of other teams, thinking otherwise will only make you paranoid that there's some "anti-GS conspiracy" brewing everywhere, which is simply wrong. |
Thank you for the mindreading and psychology session. Did I ever post about any anti-GS conspiracy? I read Vel's "Spite and Malice" between sessions at the beach (I'm not there now  ), but I didn't post in that thread. If you must know, I do think there was outside influence in how all of us approached everyone else in this game to the extent we knew them. Certainly I joined GS based on the quality of strategy posts many of the members had made about Civ III in general. I just wanted to be involved with a lot of the discussions I knew were going on inside that forum (kinda an extension of the strategy forum). I'm assuming most of the people had some reason for joining the teams they did, and some of them may have even not joined a team for specific reasons. I certainly don't think it was a conspiracy against anyone though.
If there was a conspiracy, it would have to have been against Vox or Lux. (the RNG was in on it!) 
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If I were to follow your argument, then whenever another team with a GS member in any other demo game lied or backstabbed or broke a deal, I would stand up and whine and ***** at the fact that that person was also a GS member, and had made a pledge to honor all committments as a real life person and thus it applied to any team he is in. See the flaw in your logic? |
No, but I see the flaw in my post. I didn't properly qualify the sentence "GS made a statement about how they would honor agreements in-game." It should have had a PtWDG qualification. Obviously GS didn't make a statement about how they would honor agreements in all games, just this one. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Sir Ralph
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Long live teh Schwampel!
Dec 2001
time: 06:32
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Originally posted by Tiberius
Besides, did you hear me saying "honour"?  |
This is generally a stupid word for a self description. If somebody says about himself, that he's a person of honor, he's either a medieval knight or a modern braggart. I never liked how our voluntary pledge not to break treaties was called "code of honor" by some of our members. I don't recall to have used it myself, may be except for quoting purposes. In fact, I'm not in favor of this pledge at all. Everybody is entitled to honor treaties or to break them, as well as to mistrust a team that already has broken. You know, "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me".
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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:32
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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
This is generally a stupid word for a self description. If somebody says about himself, that he's a person of honor, he's either a medieval knight or a modern braggart. I never liked how our voluntary pledge not to break treaties was called "code of honor" by some of our members. I don't recall to have used it myself, may be except for quoting purposes. In fact, I'm not in favor of this pledge at all. Everybody is entitled to honor treaties or to break them, as well as to mistrust a team that already has broken. You know, "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". |
Aeson, are you listening to this?
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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:32
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Originally posted by Aeson
I have said that I am biased against you. I think your posting style is a disease that infects most internet forums, and it sickens me to see the same old thing brought into forums which I chose to participate in mainly due to the lack of that disease. I do not have problems with GoW, other than those problems I have with you, HE, and GF as concerns this forum. I cannot help that you three are on the same team, but if you go back to previous discussions, both here and on other forums, you will see that I have made the same arguments against others who are not affiliated with GoW in any way.
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Well, since now I do not know when you are speaking honestly or making sarcastic remarks, how am I supposed to interpret this?
1) You really mean it. In that case, once again the pot calling the kettle black, is this not a "derogatory" remark against me H_E and GF? Oh wait, I know what you'll answer. You'll say that yes, you too are guilty of falling for the temptation of trolling. In that case, neither you nor I have any self-righteous substance to back up any of our arguments so why the hell are we even bothering to post then?
2) It was sarcasm. Ah, I'm sure I'll enjoy and laugh at being called a "disease". Oh wait, again, I know what you'll answer, you'll say it's just my posting style and not me as an individual, right. Gee, where have I heard that argument before?
* Master Zen looks at mirror
Hell, you know what? Everything ever said by, me, H_E, or GF ever in any public thread has been a sarcastic remark. So chill out, grab a beer and laugh at how stupid we've all been at taking things so seriously.
g'night.
-MZ
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Sir Ralph
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Long live teh Schwampel!
Dec 2001
time: 06:32
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MZ,
I got to defend Aeson here.
In terms of his abilities in mastering the game and its mechanics, he's lightyears above everyone else in this forum. Hardly anyone will deny this. But he never boasted or bragged about it, but was always one of us ("us" meaning not in GS sense, but in the sense of Apolyton regular - and CFC, of course too). There have been others screaming around, that they are the best, leetest or whatever players. Aeson put them all to shame, whilst remaining decent. At the countrary, he sometimes called in his game reports some of his actions a stupid move. I would be happy if I could make such "stupid moves" like he does myself or at least even see them.
So even IF Aeson used "the word" (honor that is), it was for certain only describing or quoting something or in the phrase "honor a treaty", but never in the bragging sense.
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Aeson
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orangesoda
Nov 2001
time: 22:32
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Well, since now I do not know when you are speaking honestly or making sarcastic remarks, how am I supposed to interpret this? |
Now you see the problem with the posting style at least.
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1) You really mean it. In that case, once again the pot calling the kettle black, is this not a "derogatory" remark against me H_E and GF? Oh wait, I know what you'll answer. You'll say that yes, you too are guilty of falling for the temptation of trolling. In that case, neither you nor I have any self-righteous substance to back up any of our arguments so why the hell are we even bothering to post then? |
I really mean it, if that helps.
Ideas should be valued based on themselves, not who types them. There is no need for self-righteous substance to back up an argument if a person is willing to note their own failings and weaknesses. I noted a couple times in posts tonight that I was making derogatory remarks about you, and that the discussion wasn't about whether derogatory remarks were good or bad as well. You are getting confused with our last discussion, which was about that in part.
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2) It was sarcasm. Ah, I'm sure I'll enjoy and laugh at being called a "disease". Oh wait, again, I know what you'll answer, you'll say it's just my posting style and not me as an individual, right. Gee, where have I heard that argument before? |
It wasn't sarcasm. There is some in there, but it won't come across because sarcasm is a broken form of communication in text (as we've been using it here at least). I think you are getting a bit of the sarcasm though. Your guess as to my response (if it were to be sarcastic) is completely on target.
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Hell, you know what? Everything ever said by, me, H_E, or GF ever in any public thread has been a sarcastic remark. So chill out, grab a beer and laugh at how stupid we've all been at taking things so seriously. |
Now you see the problem, I'm sure. You still haven't noted the solution yet though.
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04-12-2003 13:56
or I tell everyone what a DL you are. 
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