03-12-2003 22:17									#31
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Goats more likely.

	03-12-2003 22:22									#32
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It's common knowledge that the world was created in 4004 BCE, so this topic is irrelevant.

	03-12-2003 22:26									#33
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It depends on where on Earth you are asking about. Here in the Americas, people probably lived much the way North American Plaines Indians lived before the horse, simple tents. In Europe, around that time, some people were living in Earth covered, log structures that were half pits. Elsewhere, people lived under the sky or temporary shelters or shelters made from less durable materials than wood.

It's a gross oversimplification of the diverse cultures of Amerindians by using "plains" Amerindians to explain how all Amerindians lived.

Not to mention the fact that "plains" Amerindians consist of many different diverse cultural groups in of itself.

Amerindians of forested Eastern North America lived differently from the Amerindians of the plains.

Amerindians of the southwestern deserts of North America lived differently from the Amerindians of the Pacific coast region.

Amerindians of the sub-arctic lived differently from Amerindians of the Caribbean islands.


To use the "plains" Amerindians as THE archetype of all Amerindians is to oversimplify and disregard the diversity of Amerindian cultural groups.

	03-12-2003 22:33									#34
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However, if we take Plato's account in Timeos and Kritias according to which Atlantis was destroyed in 10,000 by a massive volcanic erruption after being entagled into a mortal battle with Athens and having decimated almost enterily the male population of the latter city, it becomes apparent that Athens was alive and kicking (somewhat) in 10,000 BC. Further based on Solon's account of the old Egyptian scholars there have been many Athens before the classical one which have been destroyed due to various catastrophies then rebuilt however all recollections and written accounts of them have been lost along with the devastating disasters. Thus there is a distinct possibility I was living pretty much where I am now albeit closer to the earth.

	03-12-2003 22:38									#35
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A scenario which would make monolith a natural disasters refugee.

	03-12-2003 23:01									#36
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quote: får jag köpa din syster? tre kameler för din syster!

A bit off topic I know. But where do you keep the camels?

	03-12-2003 23:27									#37
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You love saying Amerindian, don't you, MrFun?

	03-12-2003 23:37									#38
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quote: You love saying Amerindian, don't you, MrFun?

and non-heterosexual

	04-12-2003 06:31									#39
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12 kiloyears ago I was being ground into dust and then smaller dust by gigantic glaciers (whether we are talking about Canada or Latvia doesn't matter).

	04-12-2003 06:34									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld You love saying Amerindian, don't you, MrFun?

The people from India are Indians -- the people who first migrated to the Americas are not Indians.



Do you follow??

	04-12-2003 06:36									#41
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun The people from India are Indians -- the people who first migrated to the Americas are not Indians. Do you follow??

Aw come on, you don't have to stop saying it on my account.

	04-12-2003 06:41									#42
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*pssst* He's being PC. Let him run with it. The rest of us all know they're called Indians.

	04-12-2003 06:45									#43
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quote: BTW, why hasn't anyone yet blamed this thread for blasphemy?

Perhaps because the bible does not explicitly say there are 4000 years between Christ and Adam?

	04-12-2003 06:46									#44
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No, we don't. I don't care what you call them, but they are Natives.

	04-12-2003 07:00									#45
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd *pssst* He's being PC. Let him run with it. The rest of us all know they're called Indians.

It's not PC bullsh*t -- the people who live in India are Indians.


What part of this do you not understand??

	04-12-2003 07:01									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Aw come on, you don't have to stop saying it on my account.

Um -- I was not going to stop calling them Amerindians beause of you.

	04-12-2003 07:07									#47
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I agree with MrFun, even if I do think amerindian is a silly phrase and possibly even more offensive then 'indian', but that's not really the point here since I'm not native american and it's not my place to decide what's appropriate.

I was just pointing out how he said Amerindian about 50 times in a single post.


And I'll say it again, MrFun couldn't be a more misleading name. Every time he posts, i can feel the life and will being sucked out of me.

	04-12-2003 07:11									#48
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There are Native Americans/Amerindians who refer themselves as Indians -- but I simply think that it's silly, because they are not in India.

	04-12-2003 07:14									#49
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun There are Native Americans/Amerindians who refer themselves as Indians -- but I simply think that it's silly, because they are not in India.

Well it's good that you're willing to educate the ignorant savages and let them know where they're from - Amerindia.

	04-12-2003 07:17									#50
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In a beautiful sea-side resort with all the latest technology and top notch service, for 10,000 bc that is.

	04-12-2003 07:17									#51
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And where did I ever imply that they're ignorant savages??

I'm on the side of those Amerindians who resent the Indian reference.


And besides, since the word Indian is so fvcking stuck in too many people's heads anyway, Amerindian seems like an easier transition away from Indian.

But anyway, I digress . . . . . . .

	04-12-2003 07:18									#52
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And if the question were 10,000 years ago, a nice apartment with a city wall view.

	04-12-2003 07:25									#53
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun And where did I ever imply that they're ignorant savages??

Oh, I don't know, maybe when you claimed they can't accurately identify themselves?

quote: I'm on the side of those Amerindians who resent the Indian reference.

So you condesendingly stick 'amer' in front of it... right


I just stick with good ol' Native American. No one's ever offended by that (except, perhaps, for some [wannabe] history professors with a stick up their ass. But they don't matter), it doesn't cause any confusion, and it's not some condesending 'compromise' that manages to annoy everyone.

	04-12-2003 07:27									#54
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And even better, you could call them by their tribe name. You'd have to actully talk to them to do that, though...

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Sure -- maybe I can find time to talk with all the leaders of every single tribe in the Americas.


And I should have put it in a better way than I did -- the word Indian is not offensive for some Native Americans, so they can continue using it if they want to.

	04-12-2003 07:35									#56
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun the word Indian is not offensive for some Native Americans, so they can continue using it if they want to.

Well, that's mighty generous of you.

	04-12-2003 08:33									#57
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quote: My diagnosis is a dirty mind. Here, take these pills and stay away from the furry threads.

I'm the one who misread "Festivus" as "fetus".

A wild stab in the dark of mine is that we lived in caves. Maybe by then the art of the igloo had started to develop, and perhaps some groups built loose approximations of houses. Tents are likely as well. But, caves would have given you the best bang for the buck then.

	04-12-2003 08:44									#58
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quote: It's not PC bullsh*t -- the people who live in India are Indians. What part of this do you not understand??

Well, in that case, I'll thank you to call me a United Statesian. There's no such thing as an American, after all

	04-12-2003 08:56									#59
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I remember a description of one of the oldest excavations in the ME. It descibed a town composed of mud brick structures that had to be entered from the top. They were all built side-by-side so that one had to walk over the structures themselves to get in or out.

Some of the oldest Indian structures in the SW are like this - I have actually seen them. Those were made out of mud bricks as well and had to be entered from the top. The top entry meant that one could pull up a ladder and automatically have a defendable fortress.

	04-12-2003 09:01									#60
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Well, in that case, I'll thank you to call me a United Statesian. There's no such thing as an American, after all

Do you always try to ridicule legitimate positions on an issue with extreme, unreasonable statements??