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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:32
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best: finding nemo
worst: scary movie 3
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:32
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Originally posted by Sava
Lost in Translation was that movie with Bill Murray where he goes to Japan? It looked stupid...
Finding Nemo is my nomination for most overrated movie of the year... |
thats because you dont understand it, and dont have anyone to share it with. i feel sorry for you sava.
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monolith94
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New England
Jan 1970
time: 00:32
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"I'm having trouble believing all of you guys have seen all these movies you say are bad."
The movies that I have said I hated, I mentioned because I have actually seen them. Want proof? Here's my review of Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas:
It is important to recognize two aspects of the movie immediately: the first being that this is not any incarnation of Sinbad the world has known, the second is that the mythology of this particular film's universe is less based on some strange hybrid of greek and middle-eastern roots, and rather stems more from the minds of the creators themselves. It is an exercise in futility to look for faithfulness, and with this out of the way, I cleared my head of prejudice, to give the film a fair chance.
Perhaps my head was too clear: the misteps of this movie were apparent from the very beginning. The best comparison of the problems really are to Bakshi's Cool World - they lie entirely in the character development. Whereas Bakshi mistakenly wants you to hate Holli Wood, Gilmore and Johnson want you to love Sinbad the sailor. There is a problem in trying to love Bradd Pitt's character, however: not only is he portrayed as a cowardly, greedy, selfish churl, but his character is too self-conscious, too calm, and entirely too cool. This is the sort of 'cool' that seems based on Han Solo, but it all comes through seeming so tremendously forced, so absolutely staged and false that it makes him a larger dork than anyone else in the movie. He has such a smarmy, cocky attitude, that instead of a desire to see him succeed and to get the girl, I wanted to see Eris wipe the floor with him.
Brad Pitt very successfully performs lines like "Okay, here goes. So I meet Eris, the goddess of discord? She's got a major crush on me, and she invited me back to her place." and "Who's bad? Sinbad!" exactly as they're supposed to be played: modern, and tacky. The problem isn't Pitt's, it originates in the script. You could have had James Earl Jones voice the title character, and he still would have come out as about as loveable as consumption. Every chance that the story has to take a scene and make it interesting is spurned in favor of easy hollywood drivel (if you can find a better word for it, please tell me). The only scenes with any intellegence to them at all either feature Eris or concern Proteus, who is finely voiced by Joseph Fiennes.
And it is the treatment of the character of Proteus, an amazing man, that might be my chief problem. Socrates wrote in the poetics it is not right for "equitable men changing from good fortune to misfortune, for this is neither fearsome nor piteous, but repulsive" (Book 13, line 34-36). Not only is Proteus forced to endure suffering, but it comes at the hands of people who are supposedly heroes. In the most intelligent, interesting scene of the movie, Eris flat-out accuses Sinbad of moving in on Proteus' girl. This could have been the most startling indictement of the false film romance ever to have been made, but instead the script simply drops the idea altogether, and continues merrily along its way, convinced that the Hollywood ending is tried, true, and pleasant. Eris raises another issue - what if you do not return with the book? Again, this single line opens up an entire universe for the film to explore, but it does not set a single toe in terrain that could even come close to being considered dangerous.
In the end, Sinband is more than just a bad movie, it is more than just an unartistic movie, it is ANTI-ART. It is a movie where the more you apply thought to it, the worse it turns out, for the movie clearly recognizes that thought CAN exist in film, but deliberately chooses to ignore thought and ideas at every single turn. This is a pity, for some of the images and animation in the film are worthy of note, and again, Eris and Proteus (I have a soft spot in my heart for Rat) are great, underdeveloped characters. Particularly stunning are Syracuse and Eris' supposed land of Tartarus. The only positive things that can be said for the movie are that it is committed to looking good, and that it does not use the ideas it hints at, thus allowing them to be used and explicated by other, better, filmmakers.
Trash.
"Hello - this is my dog, and I am a tool"
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centrifuge
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quote:
Originally posted by Ned
But can anyone at remember at all whether at any time there was mention of the Christian, Jewish and Muslim God? Never. Not once. Ever. People would be killed and dying and never ask for last rights. There was no chaplain on board any of these star ships.
Typical, anti-Christian Hollywood. |
Don't they go in search of "the Judeo-Christian God" or what seems like a referene to him, in Star Trek V - the Final Frontier?
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:32
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it wasnt the greatest movie ever made. i think it is a really good movie for all ages and that it was pretty well written. Im not saying its even top 100 movies of all time, im just saying it isnt overrated.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:32
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mrt are my initials, 144 is the multiplication of the day of my birth, and the month of my birth.
as for star trek if communism is the society they lived in then obviously there would be no native religion. If it is uncomfortable for you to accept that a show that embraced some form communism was put on american telivision you can always turn the channel to pax and watch the 700 club.
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:32
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quote:
Originally posted by MRT144
mrt are my initials, 144 is the multiplication of the day of my birth, and the month of my birth.
as for star trek if communism is the society they lived in then obviously there would be no native religion. If it is uncomfortable for you to accept that a show that embraced some form communism was put on american telivision you can always turn the channel to pax and watch the 700 club. |
Oh come on MRT. Respect for Native religions is pure Hollywood. Hostilty to Christianity is also pure Hollywood.
We have had numerous threads here on the communist aspects of Star Trek. When the show was first on TV, I never noticed it until one show when they found a capsule that had been floating in space for hundred of years. When they waked the passengers, one immediately wanted to be put in contact with his bank or broker or some such to check how much he was worth. That is when the people of Enterprise started looking at him strangely. Money in the Federation was apparently obsolete.
But, obviously, such a plot device didn't make much sense because in later shows, the crew had some money to spend on planet visits.
But the lack of religion except for respect for native religions like those particularly of Vulcan remained striking.
The new movie, Missing, carries on the Hollywood tradition of respect for Native religions and apparent hostility to Christianity.
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centrifuge
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BTW, you guys are really making me want to see Lost in Translation. Am I right to assume that the chic flick qualities of it don't go overboard?
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