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Yes England will take their best on tour - though I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilkinson not travel to be honest -so he can rest ahead of Lions 2005. He'll take Hodgson and probably Walder to gain experience. I also firmly expect Jonno to retire after the six nations so there will be a new skipper too. In those circumstances the tour is going to be even tougher for us.

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Well, at least you'll always be able to point back to 2003 and say "You wouldn't have beaten that team!"

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IQ did not dictate my position. Height and ‘build’ did.


Mmmm. I sniff an inherent contradiction in there somewhere.

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Still if they ever run out they could always remake everything with a new cast for contemporary audiences.


They've already started! "The Forsythe Saga"! And I'm sure there's another one or two. Oh, and just to underline the creative bankruptcy that plagues our ABC, guess what their big new project for 2004 is? A modern Australian family coping with living in an 1840s house in 1840s conditions.

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More Production work up this way for the Finbars. After all to look authentically 19th Century England you would need to film in remote Northern Italy these days.


Remote Umbria would suit us just fine.

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Hindsight, yes, good point. Far easier to spot a stupid decision several hundred years later.


Presumably, in 2203, some Kiwi historian will stumble on the fact that Carlos for Mehrtens was a fatal choice.

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Love of Good Ale comes behind only love of Rugby, love of the better half and my keen interest in UK history in my life. Analyse the order I presented those in as you will!


You've just coined a new acronym - KDMNAG. I shall leave you to ponder its meaning.

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And I gave no Scottish franchise any chance at all against them either!


I've been giving serious thought to the plight of Scotland's rugby. Based on my observations at the Highland Games I attended in Oban, where superhuman feats were performed by burly chaps in tartan skirts, I'd opine that the Scotland XV lining up in tartan skirts would scare the bejesus out of an oppo more than any Kiwi haka ever would.

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A shame – I am ‘as keen as mustard’ on the Colonial Rebellion as I am in the Napoleonic era.


The icing on the culinary metaphor cake, indeed.

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The main problem Caligastia is that the England side will not be the 22 that figured in Sydney


Clive did say it would be the 22 from Sydney. I'd be surprised.

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I can only put Havak's absence from our midst yesterday down to his desire to keep an extremely low profile after the announcement that Leicester, in a desperate attempt to halt their slide to rugby ignominy, have signed the skipper of China's rugby team.

No, this is not April the first. Now, let's take a moment to contemplate the possible reasons for the signing of the Chinese backrower:

1. The lad's name is Johnny Zhang. Could it be that someone whispered in Deano's ear that "Johnny's available!"? And Deano, oblivious to the "h" in the name, whipped out the cheque book and did the deed before the existence of the "h" was revealed to him?

2. Or could it be that Deano, concerned about his leaky defence, has opted, literally, for the Great Wall of China?

3. Or could it be that Deano, having decided the Pork Pie diet was the root cause of the team's slide, has extended the menu to include Peking Duck?

We await Havak's clarification with bated breath. Not to mention his justification of the signing on the basis that Johnny Zhang is entitled to a Leicester passport because, at some point during the Boxer Rebellion, a Leicester-born soldier, spraying his seed around, found fecund local ground.

It's also typical of Leicester, the party poopers, to release this news on the same day that John O'Neill announced that he was stepping down ten months early from his position as Chief Exec of the ARU. Unlike Leicester's news, the O'Neill news is entirely explicable.

While overseeing Australian rugby's rise to never-before-seen prominence and wealth, he made many enemies along the way, and not just amongst the Wallaby players and staff. His contract wouldn't have been renewed next September anyway and he knew it. OTOH, it's also arguable that there was little left for him, personally, to achieve in terms of Australian rugby's off-field performance. He would dearly have loved to step up a level to the IRB, but he'd made as many - if not more - enemies at that level as he'd made domestically. John O'Neill's one of those fascinating characters whose strengths are also his weaknesses. Still, regardless of what anyone thinks of him, no one with any brains would deny he made an enormous contribution to Australian rugby.

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Stade Toulousain 19 - Leeds Tykes 3

A difficult victory under the rain and against tenacious opponents. I have not seen the game myself so I can't say anything about the score and the reality on the field.

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Stade Toulousain 19 - Leeds Tykes 3

A difficult victory under the rain and against tenacious opponents. I have not seen the game myself so I can't say anything about the score and the reality on the field.


It sounds like M'sieur Michalak remembered how to kick straight.

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Yes, a friend of mine saw the game and told me Michalack had played very well... thanks for the link.

I am about to watch USAP - Celtic Warriors...

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Union Sportive des Arlequins de Perpignan 26 - Celtic Warriors 19

Entertaining game with two different periods, the first dominated by the USAP and the other by the celts. The catalans scored with their forwards while the celtic warriors charged with the light cavalry. Maybe a too classical game from the welsh though nonetheless an efficient one. The problem is that the USAP has not yet solved their main weakness, discipline, and that it will certainly cost them a few important games again this year.

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Finbar, check all the pages in case Tamerlin eared one or two of them away just to have a few colloquialisms en reserve.

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Union Sportive des Arlequins de Perpignan 26 - Celtic Warriors 19

Entertaining game with two different periods, the first dominated by the USAP and the other by the celts. The catalans scored with their forwards while the celtic warriors charged with the light cavalry. Maybe a too classical game from the welsh though nonetheless an efficient one. The problem is that the USAP has not yet solved their main weakness, discipline, and that it will certainly cost them a few important games again this year.


Did Perpignan have their new Foreign Legion playing? Dan Herbert, et al?

Edit. I just checked the match report. They only had that epitome of English courage under fire and claimer of fraudulent tries, Mr Luger, on the wing. I assume Dan Herbert hasn't yet recovered from his injury, and I don't know where the Kiwi Robinson - or Robertson, whichever one it is - is.

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Finbar, check all the pages in case Tamerlin eared one or two of them away just to have a few colloquialisms en reserve.




Rest assured, LDiCesares, I'd already considered that possibility! That's why I'm not sending him any money until I have the book, I've checked that every page is where it should be, and that he hasn't obliterated any sections with Tippex or a black marker pen!

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... I've checked that every page is where it should be, and that he hasn't obliterated any sections with Tippex or a black marker pen!


I have tried to but I had to give up as I could not read anything with all those white strips on my screen.

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On a marginally more serious note, in keeping with my policy of publicising Leicester's efforts this season, I have to report that they fell over the line against a rabble of Taffys:

Leicester 34 -d- Gwent Dragons 3

Presumably, pre-match, for motivation, Deano paraded Johnny Zhang with a garden hose in his hand and threatened them with the Chinese Water Torture if they lost.

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Zhang was not seen at the ground.

Monsieur Dume allowed Tigers to look a semblance of their old selves by employing some decent refereeing that allowed us to dominate the breakdown without having Dragons lying all over the ball.

Apparently it will be a strong side out at the weekend fro England although Wilko and Jonno will not feature. Ollie Smith has been called up - his second try yesterday was amongst the best individual efforts I've seen this season - the boy could have a great future in an England shirt.

Now what have I missed...?

Not too much gone on in my absence I see?

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Monsieur Dume allowed Tigers to look a semblance of their old selves by employing some decent refereeing that allowed us to dominate the breakdown without having Dragons lying all over the ball.


Mister Joël Dumé is the only good French referee...

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Although he ignores his linesmen Tamerlin – ands therefore we had Dragon loose forwards entering rucks from the wrong damn side half the game. Fortunately they were not very good loose forwards (in comparison).

So you are having to sort Finbar’s order out for him then? I suspected that you might have to.

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Well, at least you'll always be able to point back to 2003 and say "You wouldn't have beaten that team!"


I can at the least safely say that no side beat that team in 2003.

The Baa-baa line up doesn’t look that impressive actually…

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Mmmm. I sniff an inherent contradiction in there somewhere.


Well I always wanted to be a winger as it happens…

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A modern Australian family coping with living in an 1840s house in 1840s conditions.


It does sound rather familiar doesn’t it?

Remote Umbria – or Remote Cumbria? Myself I would prefer the latter.

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We await Havak's clarification with bated breath. Not to mention his justification of the signing on the basis that Johnny Zhang is entitled to a Leicester passport because, at some point during the Boxer Rebellion, a Leicester-born soldier, spraying his seed around, found fecund local ground.


I have no idea why they have singed a Chinese loose forward. One thing the squad did not need was loose forwards. I can’t see him playing unless there are numerous injuries.

He is entitled to play for Leicester because Leicester are not England. But then you may be right about his ancestry.

O’Neill going has to be good for the ARU. It’s time for a diplomat rather than a hard headed businessman as you seek to rebuild relationships internationally.

USAP really will not get their season going until Stimpson shakes off his injury. They were quite poor against the Warriors – failing to convert a clear forward superiority into points on the board. Manny had a bad game too and he has become crucial to how they play.

Worst team of the weekend? A choice between Leeds and Borders. Borders went down heavily at home to a Llanelli side hardly at it’s best.

No surprise that England Rugby swept the board at last nights BBC Sports Review of the year – best team, best coach and young Wilko made Sports Personality of the year. His acceptance speech will give Finbar nightmares for years to come as it started “"I've been massively honoured to be part of a wonderful England team. To play under and be led by Martin Johnson is also such a humbling experience.”

Jonno of course played against Dragons yesterday then sped to London for the awards. He therefore accepted team of the year with a hult red welt on his left cheek. Neil back beside him had three stitches just under his right eye during the game and also looked a sight. It was probably the least pretty team ever to win the award.

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Zhang was not seen at the ground.


That's the best you can come up with in defence of - or explanation for - this bit of rugby exotica?

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I have no idea why they have singed a Chinese loose forward. One thing the squad did not need was loose forwards. I can’t see him playing unless there are numerous injuries.


Or this?

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USAP really will not get their season going until Stimpson shakes off his injury. They were quite poor against the Warriors – failing to convert a clear forward superiority into points on the board. Manny had a bad game too and he has become crucial to how they play.


One would also assume they will lift when Herbert and the Kiwi turn up.

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So you are having to sort Finbar’s order out for him then? I suspected that you might have to.


Only because French Amazon has gone AWOL. Probably off near the Russian border waiting for a heavy snowstorm before they launch their invasion.

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One of the most admirable things about the French is that they will not be rushed by such minor considerations as your having paid for the items some months ago.

The Zhang situation is very strange - not least because he is actually a Wing/Fullback not a forward as I said

He is also only here for a month as he is still contracted to a Hong Kong club next year - though I hear he may rejoin us after that.

There's a puff piece on the Tigers site here

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One of the most admirable things about the French is that they will not be rushed by such minor considerations as your having paid for the items some months ago.


I must admit that I am myself very bothered by the way the customers are treated in France. They are here to pay and once the price has been paid the seller usually don't care at all about the satisfaction.

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He is also only here for a month as he is still contracted to a Hong Kong club next year - though I hear he may rejoin us after that.


Acclimatization?

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Possibly so. I'll try to find out more.

As for the other point - France is joined by England on that one.

Robinson, Tindall, Hill, Thompson, Cohen, Corry, Woodman. These are the seven of the RWC winning 22 named in the England squad for Saturday. So it's stronger than I expected.

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I can at the least safely say that no side beat that team in 2003.

The Baa-baa line up doesn’t look that impressive actually…


I don't think I'll get to see it anyway. Fox Sports World don't have it on their schedule. The next thing I have to look forward to is the Super 12.

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The next thing I have to look forward to is the Super 12.


I thought we were talking about Rugby!

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One of the most admirable things about the French is that they will not be rushed by such minor considerations as your having paid for the items some months ago.


If that were the case, I'd've accused them of theft rather than incompetence. Amazon operates on the basis that they charge the credit card when the product is dispatched, not in advance of it being dispatched. So my order is sitting somewhere in French Amazon limbo. In fact, I wouldn't have been in the least bit surprised if the Yanks found it in the hole in the ground with Saddam.

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The Zhang situation is very strange - not least because he is actually a Wing/Fullback not a forward as I said


The report in the paper here called him a backrower. But that's not surprising. It's a well known fact that they all look alike to Australians.

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He is also only here for a month as he is still contracted to a Hong Kong club next year - though I hear he may rejoin us after that.


But why? The answer, methinks, lies in a Leicester denial that appeared in the report in the paper here. They said he'd been signed on his merits and not as a means of sourcing revenue from China. Mmmmmmmm.

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Possibly so. I'll try to find out more.


Ask the club's Finance Director. And if he's not forthcoming, check on his desk for notes on the conversion rate between the yuan and the pound. And if he's hidden that, check the club books for an entry something along the lines of Extra Revenue - Sponsorship ex-China.

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I thought we were talking about Rugby!


Listen, you! You're disqualified from expressing any opinions on rugby until your poules bleues ever produce the goods under pressure!

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Acclimatization?


A z? Are you American?

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A z? Are you American?


My English/French dictionnary only cites acclimatization for acclimatation and does not state it is an american spelling.

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