11-12-2003 00:59									#31
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Now that last one AH, is going to require some clarification.

	11-12-2003 01:02									#32
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Oooh, oooh -- do I get to watch two mods duke it out?

You're not sexually aroused, now are you?

	11-12-2003 01:02									#33
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I wouldn't say persecuted, but I would possibly say discriminated against. IMHO, jobs, university places and anything else like that should be allocated as far as possible without anyone knowing the sex or ethnicity of the applicant. I think giving specific advantages to those from poorer families/schools (as with universities in the UK) those who belong to 'under-represented' groups, whether by ethnic origin, sexual orientation or gender, is biased, as is discrimination none-the-less.

I support laws that say you can't fire people, or not hire them, specifically for their colour, gender, sexual orientation or wealth. That is, a university should not reject someone because they either are, or are not, poor. I think giving an advantage to anyone because of their ethnic origin is wrong, whether it's because they're coloured or caucasian.

I believe that discrimination, when applying for a job or a place at university, should be on talent and ability alone. Thus giving a advantage to one group that is not given to another is unfair, whatever that group is.

	11-12-2003 01:02									#34
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Somehow "Reason" and "Ferrets" don't mix in my mind.

	11-12-2003 01:04									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Theben You're not sexually aroused, now are you?

So you have that fetish too, huh?

	11-12-2003 01:05									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue I wouldn't say persecuted, but I would possibly say discriminated against. IMHO, jobs, university places and anything else like that should be allocated as far as possible without anyone knowing the sex or ethnicity of the applicant. I think giving specific advantages to those from poorer families/schools (as with universities in the UK) those who belong to 'under-represented' groups, whether by ethnic origin, sexual orientation or gender, is biased, as is discrimination none-the-less. I support laws that say you can't fire people, or not hire them, specifically for their colour, gender, sexual orientation or wealth. That is, a university should not reject someone because they either are, or are not, poor. I think giving an advantage to anyone because of their ethnic origin is wrong, whether it's because they're coloured or caucasian. I believe that discrimination, when applying for a job or a place at university, should be on talent and ability alone. Thus giving a advantage to one group that is not given to another is unfair, whatever that group is.

Maybe I should have posted a subtitle with this -- "Don't take this thread seriously."

	11-12-2003 01:07									#37
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In Zimbabwe, yes.

	11-12-2003 01:08									#38
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Now THAT is an example of a joke everyone -- give your thanks to Gangerolf.

	11-12-2003 01:08									#39
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Yes, only take this thread seriously in Zimbabwe.

	11-12-2003 01:09									#40
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Maybe I should have posted a subtitle with this -- "Don't take this thread seriously."

You said t was a chance to vent spleen, so I did

	11-12-2003 01:09									#41
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun So you have that fetish too, huh?

AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

*runs away*

	11-12-2003 01:10									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue You said ti was a chance to vent spleen, so I did

someone else's spleen

	11-12-2003 01:11									#43
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quote: Maybe I should have posted a subtitle with this -- "Don't take this thread seriously."

With Drogue, it just saves time not to post the thread in the first place... he's the greatest threat to productivity since smallpox!

	11-12-2003 01:15									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue You said ti was a chance to vent spleen, so I did

So you don't recognize sarcasm when you see it, huh?

	11-12-2003 01:16									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue I wouldn't say persecuted, but I would possibly say discriminated against.

Do you have any basis for that assertion?

Let me give some exampled. In 1993, I was an editor at my university newspaper, The DePaulia. The school mission was to be a university to help the urban poor and working classes (St. Vincent DePaul and all that). In a city that was (at the time) 44% Black, 37% white, and 14% Hispanic (and the rest misxed or declined to answer) only 11% of the incoming freshmen were Black and only 7% were Hispanics. The graduation rate was slightly different. Only 9% of those graduating were Black, and only 6% were Hispanic.

Is this, then, an example of whites being persecuted? DePaul is fairly prestegious and important university in Chicago. Given that the student body were largely Chicagoans, one wonders how, if whites were being discriminated against, did they manage to more than double their numbers there.

Now, part of it has to do with DePaul drawing suburbanites in, where the number of whites far exceeds the number of minorities. But the school wasn't mostly suburbanites. And many of those suburbanites were from the inner ring of suburbs, which has a higher percentage of minorities than the ones further out, say where Sava (who goes to DePaul) lives.

Anyway, for pointing this out in a paper editorial, the Adminiastrion came down like a ton of bricks on me. I was summarily fired and they attempted to make it look like I was making crap up. But the numbers came from a confidential report I had gotten my hands on. Oh well, being a firebraqnd isn't easy.

	11-12-2003 01:18									#46
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DePaul sucks, I left there a year ago... my sister went there for a semester and transfered to Loyola... **** DEPAUL!

	11-12-2003 01:18									#47
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Now THAT is an example of a joke everyone -- give your thanks to Gangerolf.

seriously though, you can't deny that what has happened to the farmers down there is pretty close to persecusion?

	11-12-2003 01:19									#48
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quote: Originally posted by rah Now that last one AH, is going to require some clarification.

It's the conformism and lack of imagination that's killing you over there.

	11-12-2003 01:19									#49
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All hail the great firebrand!

	11-12-2003 01:20									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf seriously though, you can't deny that what has happened to the farmers down there is pretty close to persecusion?

Illegal theft of property -- that is wrong.

But if they can legislate legal compensation for propertyless blacks, I don't have problems with that.

	11-12-2003 01:21									#51
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depaul? like, that's the one that's not as good as uchicago or northwestern, right? too poor to even have its own campus? stuck smack dab in the middle of downtown by the el?

	11-12-2003 01:21									#52
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Are white, straight men persecuted today?

Sure. But only the disabled, Jewish ones.

	11-12-2003 01:22									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Are white, straight men persecuted today? Sure. But only the disabled, Jewish ones.

Ah -- but they're being discriminated against because of a disability or of their religion.



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	11-12-2003 01:23									#54
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Hey, don't abuse Drogue.
His post is the only thing keeping this thread open.

RAH
and no, there is never any mod in-fighting.
Mtg would just ban me.

	11-12-2003 01:23									#55
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Illegal theft of property -- that is wrong.

Not actually illegal, David Floyd's of the world excepted. When the peace treaty ending Rhodesia was signed, the U.S. and Great Britain committed themselves to paying compensation to white farmers who would lose their land under a redistribution scheme. Both countries renegged, and after 20 years, Zimbabwe decided to take matters into its own hands.

Brutal, thuggish, stupid, yes. Illegal, iffy.

	11-12-2003 01:24									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Everyone's persecuted at some level.

Nobody goddam persecutes me. It would not be different whatever color or gender I was.

	11-12-2003 01:24									#57
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interesting point, Che

	11-12-2003 01:25									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed depaul? like, that's the one that's not as good as uchicago or northwestern, right? too poor to even have its own campus? stuck smack dab in the middle of downtown by the el?

DePaul ain't poor, they charge enough for ****ing tuition... they are just cheap ****ers. Northwestern isn't much better. Big schools in this country are WAYYYYY overrated. Some of the dumbest people I've ever met went to these "top schools". Plus, Dubya went to Yale. As long as you are rich, you can get in. Don't get me wrong, there are some smart people there, but I'd say only about 25% are. But that's good considering I think only 1% of America is intelligent.

	11-12-2003 01:25									#59
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quote: Originally posted by rah and no, there is never any mod in-fighting. Mtg would just ban me.

So now I'm getting a clearer picture of the secret hierarchy of the mods.

	11-12-2003 01:25									#60
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quote: Originally posted by rah Hey, don't abuse Drogue. His post is the only thing keeping this thread open. RAH and no, there is never any mod in-fighting. Mtg would just ban me.

can't you just go over to his house and beat his ass?