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Andydog is offline Andydog
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and onto Mickeyj.

Regarding the patches, from what I can gather, v1.13 was an 'add on' to v1.12 rather than a complete patch, and was issued to some players over at CDG for testing, who then leaked it. v1.15 is also an add on - hence the recommendation to install v1.13 first.

I believe that v1.15 is based on Soren Johnson's model for corruption, which he describes as follows:

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This is how corruption works now. (1.15 beta)

There are two kinds of corruption, distance-based and empire-based.

Distance-based is determined by the distance from the city to the nearest seat of government (Palace, FP, SPH). The farther the distance, the higher the corruption.

Empire-based is determined by the "city rank," which is calculated by assigning a number to each city in progression from the capital outward. The higher the city rank, the higher the corruption. Further, if the city rank is higher than the "optimal city number" (OCN) - which is map-dependent - the rate at which empire-based corruption goes up increases.

These two forms of corruption are additive. Thus, if a city has total corruption, it might be from high distance-based corruption, high empire-based corruption, or medium amounts of both.

Building a Forbidden Palace (or SPH) does two things. First, it provides a new center for cities to measure their distance-based corruption. Second, it increases the OCN by 3/8 (was 1/4 in 1.13).

This method is how corruption was originally intended to work. 1.12 and 1.13 use this model (the main difference between the two being the FP increase in OCN). Civ3 and PtW did not quite follow this model because there was a bug involving how city rank was calculated.

This "new" model allows for two cores, with the second being weaker than the first. One interesting aspect of this system is that it doesn't matter how far the two cores are apart from each other as distance-corruption is calculated from the FP and city rank is an absolute number (9th city, 10th city, etc.). I mention this only to show that building one's FP on a new continent can be very worthwhile.


So it seems that we now have corruption calculated as it was originally intended, which was why I was keen to install the patch. However I'm not trying to dictate terms here by any means, and if we would all rather stick with v1.12 until the end of Feb, then I've got no problem with that whatsoever!

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  Old Post 16-01-2004 13:02
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Sent to Shogun.

I'm gonna do a bit of reading on the new patch today, I'll post my comments later.

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Over to Paddy...

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and on to Andy

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spun out to Mickeyj

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Good hands, and off to shogun

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  Old Post 22-01-2004 12:57
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Well, it's now Friday and we haven't heard from Shogun all week. I know he's about because I've seen his posts on other threads.

What's the story Shogun? Lets keep this game rolling!

[Edit: Bollocks! I've just noticed that in fact it's Thursday - see what happens when you work too hard!! ]

Last edited by Andydog on 22-01-2004 at 14:57

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sorry guys.... just sent to Paddy.

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and on to Andy

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flicked to Mickeyj

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back to shogun

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over to paddy

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recieved from paddy, over to mickeyj.

Good luck guys in the stories contest!

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Over to shogun.

Shogun/paddy,
I've never really got to into the stories as i generally don't have the time (especially at work) to read the stories on the computer. Perhaps a way to get more people involved is to attach the completed story as a doc file once finished (I'm assuming you type on word and then cut and paste onto the thread) as tring to read a printed copy with all the comments is a 'mare. That way readers could print out the final story to read while on the the train etc.

Let me know what you guys think.

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Thanks Andy.

Mickey, for several years I suffered a similar fate.

This site does have a section that allows you to get a printable version, which is great for on the trains. (see pic)

I used to edit out the comments before printing them, so I ould enjoy just the story, then one day I was challenged to read the comments as well, as they can be like being invited into the Oval Office for a meeting with The Prez and the Joint Chiefs...

I do like the idea of having a doc file too. This gives me something to think about.

Either way, I am glad you like them.

Attachment: printable version.jpg
This has been downloaded 21 time(s).

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Originally posted by Andydog
and onto Mickeyj.

Regarding the patches, from what I can gather, v1.13 was an 'add on' to v1.12 rather than a complete patch, and was issued to some players over at CDG for testing, who then leaked it. v1.15 is also an add on - hence the recommendation to install v1.13 first.

I believe that v1.15 is based on Soren Johnson's model for corruption, which he describes as follows:



So it seems that we now have corruption calculated as it was originally intended, which was why I was keen to install the patch. However I'm not trying to dictate terms here by any means, and if we would all rather stick with v1.12 until the end of Feb, then I've got no problem with that whatsoever!


OK, so here we are close to Feb Patch... and I am finally interested in going ahead with this one...

Your opinions please...

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Over to Paddy...

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and onto Andydog

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I didn't get the SAV Paddy, please re-send...

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in the mine shaft... will resend it when I get home...

thanks for your patience...

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I have resent it

please let me know if you do not get it.

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Got it that time no worries!

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  Old Post 27-01-2004 02:17
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Back to shogun,

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and over to Paddy.

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..and to Mickeyj..

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Back to showgun with the speed at the speed of the sharks backline!
Bring on the Super 12!!!!!!

Gents can't find the link at the momentbut on civfanatics jesse recomends installing 1.15.

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I installed 1.15, I followed the instructions to backup two critical files..

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MAKE SURE YOU COPY YOUR CIV3CONQUESTS.EXE AND TEXT\LABELS.TXT FILES IN CASE YOU WISH TO SWITCH BETWEEN VERSIONS!


see this thread for the most concise rundown of each patch and the fixes.

On to Paddy....

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thanks for the goss.. appreciated

the save is onto Andy

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Back to showgun with the speed at the speed of the sharks backline!
Bring on the Super 12!!!!!!


I know I'm the only Yank here....so i gotta ask. What's "Super 12"?

 
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