19-12-2003 23:16									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Spec So they dont care what people from other countries think? Or is it just you? Spec.

It is a petition that is to be sent to the US Congress (from what I remember). Non-American responses are "irrelevant" in the fact that they cannot be used in the petition and, by law, must be discarded.

	19-12-2003 23:26									#32
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I'm for gay everything. Less competition for the rest of us.

	19-12-2003 23:47									#33
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heck... that poll does not have the obligatory "banana"-option.

hmmm... what if the banana as a poll option becomes obligatory everywhere - even government elections? That could be a cool protest vote option (instead of those ever-boring 'spider bellies' and donald ducks...)

BTW, if you voted for 'accept gay marriage' in that poll, and they have your email adress (or someone's email), will that mailbox receive a ton of anti-gay material from now to the day the sun dies?

	20-12-2003 00:46									#34
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quote: 'spider bellies'

"Spider belly" = "churchboat"?

	20-12-2003 01:04									#35
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America's Poll on Homosexual Marriage

I oppose legalization of homosexual marriage and "civil unions" 43.45%
(147009 votes)

I favor legalization of homosexual marriage 48.60%
(164439 votes)

I favor a "civil union" with the full benefits of marriage except for the name 7.95%
(26890 votes)

Woo-hoo! The yes votes are (currently) in the lead!

And yes, I gave them an email address - but it was my hotmail account which has everything automatically sent to my Junk Mail folder.

	20-12-2003 01:09									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue The pro-marriage side will fight this off.

Agreed. The Pro-gay marriage side will fight off the onslaught of hateful bigots like the AFA.

Glad to have you aboard, Spink(ter?)

	20-12-2003 01:22									#37
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Kirkkovene

	20-12-2003 01:30									#38
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It's nice to see the bigots of America are present even here

That's you Park and Drake.

	20-12-2003 01:37									#39
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I got this already through an e-mail from a friend, and forwarded it to other friends.

So I already voted in favor of gay civil unions.

	20-12-2003 01:38									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue I can read. I just don't want this social decay to spread, because all bad ideas tend to go US to UK.

Pull your head out of your ass -- gay people marrying one another and having legal recognition does not threaten the marriages of other people.

	20-12-2003 01:40									#41
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike It's nice to see the bigots of America are present even here That's you Park and Drake.

You'll note that Park Avenue is (thankfully) a Brit.

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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue I can read. I just don't want this social decay to spread, because all bad ideas tend to go US to UK.

you are a retarded, intolerant *******

(no offense)

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quote: Kirkkovene

So it does?

You have Finnish relatives or something? I remember seeing you writing some Finnish text (correctly) earlier at this forum, too.

	20-12-2003 01:42									#44
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker you are a retarded, intolerant *******

Indeed

quote: (no offense)

	20-12-2003 02:43									#45
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Being against gay marriage is tantamount to being for state-sponsored discrimination. It is a cancer on this nation that should be got rid of immediately. I can't believe our monkey of a president is supporting a constitutional amendment to limit marriages to heterosexual couples when common sense says exactly the opposite...

	20-12-2003 03:00									#46
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Supporting impossible to pass amendments is a good way to placate the base without doing anything. Same thing with establishing a Presidential Commission.

	20-12-2003 07:38									#47
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quote: It's nice to see the bigots of America are present even here That's you Park and Drake.

You don't know the first thing about me...

	20-12-2003 07:49									#48
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Nor does he know anything about bigots (assumes you have to be one specific nationality to be a bigot, no others need apply) nor Park Avenue, the Brit.

	20-12-2003 08:29									#49
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51% (favour) to 40% (against)

	20-12-2003 08:57									#50
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If I would have voted, I would have voted for gay marriage. But I know I'd get buried in spam if I did.

(BTW: Should anyone tell these guys that Congress does not regulatel marriage? It's the states which regulate marriage. )

	20-12-2003 09:01									#51
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quote: Originally posted by reismark I can't believe our monkey of a president is supporting a constitutional amendment to limit marriages to heterosexual couples when common sense says exactly the opposite...

I can't believe you mentioned the President of the United States and common sense in the same sentence.


(BTW -- That's a really cool avatar. )

	20-12-2003 09:06									#52
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I will never marry a gay person. I'm sorry, I'm just that way. You'll have to take me for what I am. Get used to it.

Did it occur to anyone that if you vote against allowing gay marriages and you leave your e-mail address that they will hit you up for donations until the coming of glory? It's a no-win situation.

	20-12-2003 10:56									#53
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Nor does he know anything about bigots (assumes you have to be one specific nationality to be a bigot, no others need apply) nor Park Avenue, the Brit.

Come again? Where in anything that I wrote did you get that I think bigots have to be a certain nationality? So Park's a brit. Who cares? It changes nothing.

Openly supporting laws that ban gay unions is the same as openly supporting prejudice and/or segregation. I fail to see the difference between banning gay marriage and banning black marriage. It's ****ed up either way.

quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten You don't know the first thing about me...

I don't have to. You made it pretty clear, at least on this issue.

	20-12-2003 10:59									#54
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quote: I don't have to. You made it pretty clear, at least on this issue.

How so? For your information, I voted pro-domestic partnerships, but anti-gay marriage. Sounds like the opinion of a bigot, doesn't it jackass?

	20-12-2003 11:00									#55
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Yes.

	20-12-2003 11:02									#56
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I forgot -- what is Park Avenue's fallicious reasoning on how someone who marries threatens other people's marriages??

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What's your fallicious reason for not supporting gay marriage? As long as straights are allowed to marry under the governments, gays ought to as well.

If your problem is religious connotations, that shouldn't be under the government whatsoever.

Domestic partnerships are bullshit to me as long as that's all straights can get under the government as well.

	20-12-2003 11:04									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: I don't have to. You made it pretty clear, at least on this issue. How so? For your information, I voted pro-domestic partnerships, but anti-gay marriage. Sounds like the opinion of a bigot, doesn't it jackass?

Is this domestic partnership the same as a marriage, just different in name? If so then I apologize, if not then I stand by my statement.

	20-12-2003 11:07									#59
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike Is this domestic partnership the same as a marriage, just different in name? If so then I apologize, if not then I stand by my statement.

The idea is the religious people have taken their religious ideals ("marriage") and shoved it into a legal system and given it legal values and representations.

In today's world, gays ought to be able to have the same rights.

So some people think instead of giving gays the right to "marry", they should get the "same benefits" via domestic partnership.

My problem with that is by doing so you admit marriage is obviously a religious instutition, and therefore has no place in government whatsoever -- and all the government should grant to anyone is "domestic partnerships".

Unfortunately this means churches can give marriage certificates to whomever they please, including gay couples. So they don't like that...they want their religion engrained in public policy and law, which is shameful.

	20-12-2003 11:09									#60
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quote: Is this domestic partnership the same as a marriage, just different in name?

Yes.

quote: If so then I apologize, if not then I stand by my statement.

Apology accepted.

Sorry about calling you a jackass.