24-12-2003 03:03									#61
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quote: Yeah, those that don't have those annoying hand-held noise makers

You're just jealous.

Seriously, it seems one thing that you people are kinda lagging behind Asia ( cellular paradise), and Europe ( Nokialand ). Always puzzled me.

	24-12-2003 03:25									#62
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According to CNN television, Michael Richards has agreed to do the commentary.

	24-12-2003 04:13									#63
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb So if I get up during the commercials to make a sandwich I am stealing from them? Crud, I can hear the tv police squad division of the Mattress Tag Police coming to get me..................

You forgot the *cough*.

	24-12-2003 04:14									#64
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quote: it seems one thing that you people are kinda lagging behind Asia ( cellular paradise), and Europe ( Nokialand )

It's because all our local calls in land lines are so cheap. You pay a fee to your telephone company for hookup and a small flat rate everymonth (in total around $25), and you have UNLIMITED local calls.

Cell phones don't have that yet. There is no small flat rate for local call plan yet.

	24-12-2003 04:18									#65
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Seriously, I already said that the advertisers are paying for the shows you watch, so they are being paid for -- and advertisers are paying for the chance show a commercial they already know that you may or may not watch, so it's all good.

	24-12-2003 04:20									#66
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quote: You pay a fee to your telephone company for hookup and a small flat rate everymonth (in total around $25), and you have UNLIMITED local calls.

Except in parts of NJ (Princeton), which I found to my regret one vacation weekend.

	24-12-2003 04:21									#67
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Huh? What happened there?

	24-12-2003 04:27									#68
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Walked away from a hotel room and was charged $.25/minute for all my internet use - over $300! I raised major hell, told these people that such crap-assed service wouldn't even be acceptable in Appalachia, and that they should be ashamed of themselves for bowing down and taking it up the ass that way. I was PISSED!

After I got the $300 written off the bill, I then (my wife loved this part - not really) went door-to-door in a neighborhood around the Days Inn, knocked on peoples front doors, and then asked them if they actually had to pay per minute for their local phone calls. I then proceeded to tell them they were getting screwed, that not even Mississippi thought so badly of their citizens as to charge them per minute on their phone use.

5 houses in, I was satisfied. I hope I started a minor rebellion.

	24-12-2003 04:29									#69
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Damn... that's freaking strange. I wonder who was their local phone service carrier... Princeton University?

	24-12-2003 04:31									#70
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It was a local piss-ant company who was screwing the people with their government granted monopoly powers - the only true way to maintain a monopoly, as we all know.

	24-12-2003 04:33									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: I see ATMs everywhere. FREE ATMs... free is the operative word. The ones that don't charge you anything for taking money out.

My BoA ATM doesn't charge me a dime when I take money out of it. Neither did my RBC ATM...

	24-12-2003 04:36									#72
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quote: My BoA ATM doesn't charge me a dime when I take money out of it. Neither did my RBC ATM...

Your own bank's ATM is different than those that will take every single bank card and not charge you extra based on that.

	24-12-2003 04:39									#73
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I've never heard of that, either here or down south

There is a difference, however:

Here, there is a single Interac fee for using one of the big-name ATMs (i.e. not some shitty little private company's, but one of the major banks) which is 1.50$CAN

In the US there appear to be two fees: one from the bank whose machine you are using and one from your own bank. I ook out 40$ and it cost me 4.50$US. That's ****ing ridiculous.

	24-12-2003 04:42									#74
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Also, what the **** is up with the ****ing huge size of the phone bills in the US? Just to have a local line is costing me 22.50 plus some **** 7.50 "federal universal service charge".

What's up with that ****? Local service here costs like half that (when you take conversion into account).

	24-12-2003 04:43									#75
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quote: I ook out 40$ and it cost me 4.50$US.

That is ridiculous! I hate it when the non-bank ATM charges $1.50+.

quote: I've never heard of that, either here or down south

In the Northeast, Wawa convenience stores have ATMs that won't charge a fee (your bank's rules may vary). I think some Publix's ATMs don't charge a fee either.

	24-12-2003 04:45									#76
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I didn't even find out I'd been charged twice until I got my bank statement the next month.

	24-12-2003 04:46									#77
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quote: Local service here costs like half that (when you take conversion into account).

:shrug: Do you have a per call fee up in Canada?

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Also, what the **** is up with the ****ing huge size of the phone bills in the US? Just to have a local line is costing me 22.50 plus some **** 7.50 "federal universal service charge". What's up with that ****? Local service here costs like half that (when you take conversion into account).

In Atlanta, "local service" means 30,000,000 potential phone numbers. How many for your local calling area in Canada?

	24-12-2003 04:48									#79
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Not unless you're calling somebody long distance.

But then again local phone service is still regulated here, so it hasn't suffered from the inefficiencies of the free-market system.

	24-12-2003 04:49									#80
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quote: local phone service is still regulated here, so it hasn't suffered from the inefficiencies of the free-market system.

Local service used to be regulated here too.... it was more expensive back then.

quote: In Atlanta, "local service" means 30,000,000 potential phone numbers

I love that .

	24-12-2003 04:49									#81
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You mean like potential free access to 30,000,000 numbers? Again, how many in your local calling area?

	24-12-2003 04:50									#82
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Here in Knoxville, it's only 10,000,000 potential numbers. But, then, we're pretty small compared to the ATL.

	24-12-2003 04:51									#83
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT In Atlanta, "local service" means 30,000,000 potential phone numbers. How many for your local calling area in Canada?

Uh, that sounds wrong to me. In Baltimore you can call anybody in the 410 or 443 (which is the cell phone prefix) for free, but there are definitely areas of the state which are long distance (I've called them).

Montreal has 1.5 free area codes (514 and, depending on how far out you are, 450).

Ah. Rereading, you're saying 30 mil potential phone numbers

Toronto's up to that too, now.

EDIT: 3 hours late, caught a mistake. Montreal's second area code is 450

	24-12-2003 04:54									#84
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Ah, Atlanta has 3 free area codes.

	24-12-2003 04:56									#85
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Oh, I forgot: there's also a new cell phone prefix for Montreal, but I'll be damned if I can remember what it is.

So 2.5 prefixes in Montreal, 3 in Toronto

	24-12-2003 06:42									#86
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Is a "prefix" the same as an "area code"? (Probably, I just wanna make sure...)

Anyway, in ATL all numbers in the 404, 678, and 707 area codes are free. And, upon reflection, it doesn't really add up to 30,000,000 as no numbers begin with "0" or "1", which leaves 24,000,000.

	24-12-2003 07:28									#87
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Someone please tell me that John isn't spending the precious family time before christmas talking about telephone numbers on the internet?

Does this guy ever take a break? (j/k)

	24-12-2003 07:54									#88
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Is a "prefix" the same as an "area code"? (Probably, I just wanna make sure...) Anyway, in ATL all numbers in the 404, 678, and 707 area codes are free. And, upon reflection, it doesn't really add up to 30,000,000 as no numbers begin with "0" or "1", which leaves 24,000,000.

There are other rules too.

No number can start with a 911, or a 411, or a 611...

	24-12-2003 08:28									#89
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[q]No number can start with a 911, or a 411, or a 611...[/q[]

I wonder if that is the case, because in Atlanta you have to dial the area code to call anywhere, because of all the numbers or something like that.

	24-12-2003 08:44									#90
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That's the stupid thing I noticed in Balto.

Here, if you're in 514 and dial a 7 digit number it assumes that you're dialing a 514 number. To dial to 450 you need to hit 450, though.