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i have a feeling imran's a bit older than you, yavoon. |
and....?
yah thats what I thought, u huge dumbass.
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JohnT
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David Brin isn't a big fan either... http://www.davidbrin.com/tolkienarticle1.html
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This fits the very plot of Lord of the Rings, in which the good guys strive to preserve and restore as much as they can of an older, graceful and 'natural' hierarchy, against the disturbing, quasi-industrial and vaguely technological ambience of Mordor, with its smokestack imagery and manufactured power-rings that can be used by anybody, not just an elite few. (Recall the scene where Saruman turns away from the 'good' side and immediately starts ripping up trees, replacing them with mining pits and smoky forges. The anti-industrial imagery could not be more explicit.) |
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Let's not ignore, but instead openly acknowledge the underlying racialism and belief in an inherent aristocracy that J.R.R. Tolkien weaved into the books, without even much attempt at subtlety. Nor do I much blame him. He couldn't help it, coming from the imperialist and class-ridden culture that raised him. One that worried deeply about how "uppity" the masses were starting to become. |
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Try as he might, and even confronted with the blatant romantic excesses of Nazism, Tolkien could not escape his own deep conviction that democratic enlightenment and modernity made up the greater evil. That hated trend, he feared, would ruin all the beauty that he found in tradition. In aristocratic-mystical hierarchies. In the ways of the past. |
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Now ponder something that comes through even the party-line demonization of a crushed enemy. This clearcut and undeniable fact. Sauron's army was the one that included every species and race on Middle Earth, including all the despised colors of humanity, and all the lower classes.
Hm. Did they all leave their homes and march to war thinking "Oh, goody, let's go serve an evil dark lord"?
Or might they instead have thought they were the 'good guys', with a justifiable grievance worth fighting for, rebelling against an ancient, rigid, pyramid-shaped, feudal hierarchy topped by invader-alien elves and their Numenorean colonialist human lackeys?
Picture, for a moment, Sauron the Eternal Rebel, relentlessly maligned by the victors of the Ring War -- the royalists who control the bards and scribes (and movie-makers). Sauron, champion of the common Middle-Earther! Vanquished but still revered by the innumerable poor and oppressed who sit in their squalid huts, wary of the royal secret police with their magical spy-eyes, yet continuing to whisper stories, secretly dreaming and hoping that someday he will return... bringing more rings. |
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yavoon
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
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weak and feeble minded individuals nitpick when the functionality is not compromised. |
Very good... did you run that through Word's spell check? That is the language we 'feeble minded' refer to as English. |
yes cause when I misspell you as u its obviously cuz I have no concept of how to spell you.
I was unaware they made ppl as stupid as u.
Last edited by yavoon on 28-12-2003 at 06:34
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yavoon
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You, not 'u'.. You
And you did so well in that prior sentance. I guess we'll have to teach you more. |
sorry, if u lack the intellectual capacity to handle "u" and "w/" then maybe u shouldn't be allowed near sharp objects either.
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
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I tried reading the Hobbit, found it to be most odd: juvenile and pretentious. Never bothered with the rest (even though they aren't as juvenile as the others, so I've heard). |
I thought the Hobbit was by far the best (I was 13, I prob wouldn't like it if I picked it up today)... I couldn't even make it through the LOTR. I read part of the first one and just found it to be, like you said, very pretentious and very boring.
I really don't see what people like in that stuff.
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
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I think what it comes down to, for me, is that JRR Tolkien is nothing more than a conceited, self-absorbed *******.
Anyone ever read "The Silmarillion" by him? Its nothing by grammar, maps, definitions and songs. God, just awful...
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28-12-2003 05:49
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. Rich! Tell us another one, yavoon. Tell us another!
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