20-02-2004 04:04									#301
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Captain Svensgaard completes the Maritime control Center!

2170 to Net Warrior.

	20-02-2004 09:17									#302
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2171 to Gaians

	20-02-2004 10:28									#303
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2171 to Yoda.

If GNN were on the air, it would tell you about a prototyped Pirate amphibious impact plasma squad that strayed too close to a fungus patch on Gaian soil.

There would be no interviews of Pirates.

Unless I get a turn really early Friday morning, I'll "see" you all Saturday evening.

	20-02-2004 12:47									#304
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2171 to the war profiteer.

	20-02-2004 18:20									#305
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2171 to Net Warrior.

	21-02-2004 08:49									#306
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2172 to Gaians

	22-02-2004 09:32									#307
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2172 to Yoda.

	22-02-2004 13:37									#308
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2172 to Rubin.

	22-02-2004 18:00									#309
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2172 passed to Net Warrior.

WARNING: I did a single reload and I am not sure if this was appropriate. Here's the problem I faced:

I wanted to obliterate a base and scrapped a facility before pressing 'B'. I was shocked when I got the notification that OBJECTIVE bases cannot be obliterated. Usually, there are no OBJECTIVES in PBEMs, but Darsnan has told the AI to consider all bases with Hab Complexes OBJECTIVE bases. This particular base still had a Hab Complex and I was not allowed to obliterate the base. I was very frustrated and did not know how to proceed and saved the game mid-turn.

I did a reload, scrapped the Hab Complex instead and obliterated the base. Everything else is exactly the same. I have the option to go back to the mid-turn savegame and proceed from there if what I have done is unacceptable.

My reason for reloading the turn was the unintended OBJECTIVE feature included by our CMN. I was completely unaware of the 'side-effects' and the impact it would have on my in-game options. While I find these side-effects displeasing--I also did not consider this 'fair play'. However, I am not in a position to decide what is 'fair' in this situation and I need to know if what I have done is allowed.

If one of you disagree with the legality of my reload I shall pass the 'legal' turn along and simply face the consequences. No arguments/reasons are required.

	22-02-2004 18:52									#310
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If you tell me that you believe you acted appropriately, that's good enough for me. (Unless, of course, it was MY base you destroyed, in which case I'm likely to scream bloody murder. )

	22-02-2004 19:34									#311
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I’ve received both the reload turn and the non-reload turn. I will not look at either until all of us have spoken, and then I will delete the one to be discarded. That reload message does not prevent other types of “mischief” and we are pretty much on our honor anyway, so I agree with Chip.
That being said, can someone explain to me what it means when a base is an “OBJECTIVE”? I’ve seen reference to this in the F4 screen, IIRC, but I don’t understand it. Can I conclude that the AI has a preference to seizing OBJECTIVE bases? Are there other criteria for that designation other than HAB complexes? Is there anything else important to know about these bases, other that they can’t be obliterated? Etc.

	22-02-2004 21:28									#312
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I've emailed Rubin to ask for a few more details. Hopefully we can work something out where he is not punished unfairly due to the bug, but also is not unfairly benefited due to different outcomes from a reload.

I promise to try to remain unbiased, even if it means my destruction.

	22-02-2004 23:06									#313
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Well, at least now I've got a pretty good clue as to whose base we are talking about.

	22-02-2004 23:31									#314
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We should use the turn where Rubin sold the Hab Complex(es) to allow obliteration. I asked Rubin to confirm with Net Warrior which file name that was.

	23-02-2004 03:07									#315
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GNN is on the air!

http://www.thebucknerhome.com/SMAC/XenoDome.MP3

	23-02-2004 06:45									#316
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2173 to Gaians

Laptoppers,
This game is very complicated and I've taken to playing my turn in stages: 1st bases, citizens, SE, crawlers, diplomacy, etc., 2nd formers, and 3rd military. Today I got a reload warning at one of these stages but it didn't appear at a subsequent stage. I don't know why it happened, and I don't know if you'll get a reload message on my turn or not.

Sorry to pile this on top of the problems Rubin ran into.
Net warrior

	23-02-2004 23:20									#317
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I played last night. Did I fail to pass the turn on to Yoda?

My view, as expressed elsewhere, is that if a player says the reloads are innocent, they are innocent.

	23-02-2004 23:41									#318
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On to Rubin.

Chip, I did get the turn. Sunday nights, due to regular plans, I'll usually be too tired to finish the turn.

	24-02-2004 02:50									#319
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2173 to Net Warrior.

	24-02-2004 06:55									#320
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2174 to Gaians

	24-02-2004 08:37									#321
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2174 to Yoda.

	24-02-2004 12:57									#322
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2174 to Rubin.

Boy, those big cities were becoming bothersome to manage. Good thing I don't have to worry about them anymore.

	24-02-2004 18:08									#323
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Sister Miriam completes the Citizens' Defense Force!

2174 to Net Warrior.

	25-02-2004 06:40									#324
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2175 to Gaians

	25-02-2004 13:23									#325
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2175 to Rubin.

"I am become Rubin, the Destroyer of Worlds." -CEO Rubin, as a reply to Yoda's plea for truce.

	25-02-2004 19:41									#326
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2175 to Net Warrior.

Nice 'quote', jtsisyoda

	26-02-2004 08:57									#327
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To Yoda.

	26-02-2004 13:28									#328
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2176 to Rubin.

As a condition of truce, the CEO requested I rename my HQ to a more "Rubinic" name. Drum roll, please...

"Tall Tale" becomes:

"Whim of the Over-Rubin"

	26-02-2004 22:24									#329
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2176 to Net Warrior. CEO Rubin is very pleased

	27-02-2004 06:51									#330
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2177 to Gaians