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No, they didn't always succeed. Of course those who use diplos, including me now, always succeed in getting past 
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Alexander's Horse (edited July 24, 2000).]</font>
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Come clean guys. You know its absurd. The only reason you allow it is because you like to use it.
On the the other hand, there is the famous case of the German army which slipped through the Maginot line in the dead of night instead of going around it through Belgium and Luxembourg.....wait a minute!
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Ming, as you say, I can do it too so it doesn't bother me that much. But I have about 30 years experience in wargaming and this is the kind of thing that really stuffs up a contest.
Reminds of the time when a friend and I agreed that units could advance after combat through ZOC in a board game (but then exert a ZOC when they got there  ). It was fun while it lasted but we soon realised that it was distorting gameplay (making every battle an encirclement).
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Well my capital in the game with makeo, "Almighty" , is built on a mountain. I built it, so draw your own conclusions.
But I think you guys have a real blind spot on this guiding issue.
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But I think you guys have a real blind spot on this guiding issue.
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Perhaps we need a little 'guidance'....
then again, that would be cheating
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A private message to me from GP:
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I've always thought the Diplo ZOC guiding thing was out of control. Don't have MGE. And have done the whole moving a gazzilion howies with a spy around a enemies rail network lots of times in 2.42.
It would be better if there was a restriction on this. (limit it somehow) Make it more interesting.
It's not a cheat in an MGE war. But the overall game would be better with changed rules on this issue.
I can't post this--I banned myself again.
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Docker
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Brisbane
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time: 05:12
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Cavebear, you can see the diplo and you can see the armies marching past, this occurs more often near citys with rail or roads where the defender has setup fortifications to protect his city by slowing down the enemy, a quite realistic practice. However by moving a diplo next to a fort nd then pressing 'W' you can then move your army to that square , as the rules allow your units to move any where if they are moving onto a square where one of your units are already located. The realy cool thing is then to move the diplo again another square, and move your army to that square, therby passing an enemy unit , which is not allowed in the rules. But because Dips can avoid ZOC using this procedure so can all your units...
I beleive that this is a bug of the program that the intent was never for armies to move pass enemy units ZOC , the intent was to allow Dips to pass by sure, but unfortuanlty the designers never foresaw the possiblilty of the combination of moving a dip with the army to pass it through.....
But as stated everybod does it so its ok !!!!
And with all the bugs and loopholes in hte game, apparently if lots of people are doing it then it must be ok...!!!!!
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Ming on 07-28-2000 08:36 AM</font>
So stop whining about it
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Note to New Posters: If you find yourself on the other side of the argument from Ming, sooner or later he will accuse you of "whining" 
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Don't you ever get tired of having to be right all the time. That's woman's work
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