05-01-2004 00:41									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue They have got this completely backwards. They should make gays holding hands in public illegal, rather than this joke.

You really are homophobic, aren't you?


Reasonable gay activists demand nothing more than being allowed to behave the same way that heterosexuals behave in public, that is considered to be appropriate behavior for public places.


And thumbs up for this police initative.

	05-01-2004 00:57									#32
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Am I the only one that finds this program assinine? If a cop doesn't understand that gays (like everyone else) dislike being harrassed, beaten up, or killed they don't deserve to continue wearing a badge. One day pretending to be something you aren't won't change that.

I think it might be to give recruits an idea of how pervasive and open hostility to gays can be / is. That might have an impact on how seriously they treat people who are having problems.

Police departments in many places underwent other excercises and training not so long ago so that officers would take domestic violence seriously. I don't think that was assinine, nor is this.

If anything, I'm a little disappointed that it would be that easy to arouse open hostility, especially in that area of the city. If anything, that validates the excercise. [Edit]Rereading, it wasn't clear that they did this on Whyte Avenue, but still.[/Edit]

	05-01-2004 01:03									#33
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DinoDoc: It's not a matter of the police not understanding that homosexuals don't want to be harassed. It's a method of showing them first-hand how such harassment might be carried out.

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither [Edit]Rereading, it wasn't clear that they did this on Whyte Avenue, but still.[/Edit]

Whyte Av is ****. I went on a barcrawl along there...

	05-01-2004 01:07									#35
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Whyte Av is ****. I went on a barcrawl along there...

Yes, yes, Kitty. We know you prefer the action of inner city America.

	05-01-2004 01:08									#36
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I prefer home, actually.

Inner city america is even worse because people are afraid to be on the ****ing street at 2am...

	05-01-2004 01:13									#37
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You're lucky to be from Montreal. It wouldn't be special if everywhere were the same.

	05-01-2004 01:15									#38
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I'm just bugging you about Whyte.

It was interesting. We went from what passes for trendy club in Alberta ( ) to a biker bar to a cowboy-type place with girls slinging Bud from coolers....

	05-01-2004 01:15									#39
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quote: Originally posted by rev DinoDoc: It's a method of showing them first-hand how such harassment might be carried out.

Ok, that actually sounds like a good point.

	05-01-2004 01:21									#40
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This would be irrelevant if there were gays on the police force, as there are blacks, hispanics, and Iris...er, alcoholics.

	05-01-2004 01:22									#41
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous This would be irrelevant if there were gays on the police force,

What makes you think there aren't any?

	05-01-2004 01:24									#42
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous This would be irrelevant if there were gays on the police force, as there are blacks, hispanics, and Iris...er, alcoholics.

There are, they're just closeted because the police force tends to be extremely macho.

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Just like there aren't any in the Navy....

	05-01-2004 03:08									#44
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous This would be irrelevant if there were gays on the police force, as there are blacks, hispanics, and Iris...er, alcoholics.

Non-heterosexuals are in every occupation you can think of.

	05-01-2004 03:26									#45
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This from racist, homophopic, right wing Alberta. Hopefully the East wakes the **** up to realise we're one of the more progressive & tolerant areas of the nation.

Not kidding. There's plenty of spin available to argue against it (oh no, gay marriages - how important!) - but deep down, Alberta has a lot more to offer than the rest of the nation, considering.

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Well, I guess since cops are supposed to protect and serve, it's a good exercise.. do little experimenting and have first hand information about the situation.

I mean, they do put women cops to play as prossies in the streets and then catch the guys willing to pay.... so, why not put few guys to be as gay and then catch the ones that tries to attack them, if there is higher hate crime rate in some places, it could be tried out.

	05-01-2004 04:20									#47
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Well, IMO it shouldn't be the goal of police to help instigate crimes or misbehavior for the purpose of catching and punishing the subject. But there's a key difference between prostitution and harassment of non-heteros: homophobes don't tend to seek out homosexuals for the purpose of harassing them, whereas those soliciting prostitution are looking for prostitutes.

	05-01-2004 04:29									#48
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well prostitution shouldn't even be illegal in the first place

	05-01-2004 04:43									#49
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Well, that's what I'm saying.

I don't mean that there aren't any. I mean those that are open. It's hard to be a closet black (unless you're Colin Powell).

	05-01-2004 05:18									#50
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Thumbs up for this initiative and thumbs up to PA for such a provocative troll.

	05-01-2004 05:19									#51
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You should have seen the PM he sent me after he was banned...got him another week!

	05-01-2004 05:35									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov You should have seen the PM he sent me after he was banned...got him another week!

Wow. It must really have been bad

	05-01-2004 05:49									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Sava well prostitution shouldn't even be illegal in the first place

It isn't illegal in Canada. Communicating in a public place for the purpose of buying or selling is. Many cities now license escort services, and some of them encourage 'owner operated' to cut down on exploitation. The object is to get it off the streets and out of the hands of pimps.

	05-01-2004 06:14									#54
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Non-heterosexuals are in every occupation you can think of.

Wetnurse.

	05-01-2004 07:24									#55
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Am I the only one that finds this program assinine? If a cop doesn't understand that gays (like everyone else) dislike being harrassed, beaten up, or killed they don't deserve to continue wearing a badge. One day pretending to be something you aren't won't change that.

What's the big deal? it's just a short exercise. They get all kinds of training in this and that. I think it is a good exercise to let them know what it feels like.

	05-01-2004 07:28									#56
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Couldn't you permi-ban him? I mean, it's not like he isn't already.

Stew or I?

	05-01-2004 07:39									#57
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quote: Stew or I?

why not both

quote: It isn't illegal in Canada. Communicating in a public place for the purpose of buying or selling is. Many cities now license escort services, and some of them encourage 'owner operated' to cut down on exploitation. The object is to get it off the streets and out of the hands of pimps.

wow, Canada is just so much smarter than the US... no wonder they don't have the problems we do.

	05-01-2004 08:50									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Sava why not both

Whatever, FG DL.

	05-01-2004 08:59									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Well, I guess since cops are supposed to protect and serve, it's a good exercise.. do little experimenting and have first hand information about the situation.

what is the police department doing ordering it's people's sex lives

people should be able to determine their own sexuality



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	05-01-2004 10:12									#60
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither If anything, I'm a little disappointed that it would be that easy to arouse open hostility, especially in that area of the city. If anything, that validates the excercise. [Edit]Rereading, it wasn't clear that they did this on Whyte Avenue, but still.[/Edit]

I concur with this. You would think that Whyte Av. would be one of the more gay-friendly areas of the city, what with the whole cosmopolitan thing they have going on down there.

I'd hate to see what would happen if they did this exercise in... um... I just realised that I don't really know what area of my own city is regarded as "most conservative"...

Uh... I wouldn't reccommend that men walk hand in hand down by the Greyhound Station and the Edmonton Centre parkade, but then again, I wouldn't reccommend that anyone walk down there, if they can avoid it.