08-01-2004 14:39									#31
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Actually, there is a significant number of people who join in order to get an education not instead of one.

quote: Originally posted by KrasyHorse And GWB, who is constanlty increasing responsicbiliteies of soldiesr while decreasing benefits?

Care to enlighten me? I don't pay much attention to the "benefits" on my LES. Pretty much all I see is an increase in pay from year to year (not that it increases proportionatly to the amount of work/risk).

	08-01-2004 14:41									#32
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Don;'t follow too closely vut I;'ve seen a buchnth of thereads from soldiers complaining about decreasing enefits int the last few months.

	08-01-2004 14:48									#33
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Hmmm... the typo's are comming quicker and more severly....

	08-01-2004 14:49									#34
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Shut up, dudde.

	08-01-2004 15:04									#35
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A lot of the noise is coming from the whiniest generation, who also happen to be the greatest net beneficiaries (as a generation) of Federal Largesse in the history of the United States.

	08-01-2004 15:06									#36
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That whiniest generation is the one who's guarding your ass right now...

	08-01-2004 15:13									#37
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He is talking about the"Greatest Generation". The people from the "Baby Boom" of WWI. They grew up during the depression, fought in WWII then had massive amounts of babies when the war was over. Well, now all those people from WWII are getting pretty old and they want their benneys they were promiced way back when...

The "Whiniest Generation" is the tail end of the Gen Xer's IMNSHO.

	08-01-2004 15:20									#38
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun OR do you mean him turning the Oval Office into a sleazy place?

Did he turn the Oval Office into a sleazy place? I thought it has always been like that

	08-01-2004 16:02									#39
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal He is talking about the"Greatest Generation". The people from the "Baby Boom" of WWI. They grew up during the depression, fought in WWII then had massive amounts of babies when the war was over. Well, now all those people from WWII are getting pretty old and they want their benneys they were promiced way back when...

Yep that's it exactly. My father in law is a good case in point. He served in the OSS in WW2, and then the USAF until the 1960s. Then he got a job with the Feds until he retired. He has pensions from the military and the feds (ie double dipping), including an incredible array of health benefits. He's in his mid 80s and against his own doctor's advice is getting treatment for the very early stage prostrate cancer (the odds of him living long enough for it to matter are tiny) as well as two hip replacement surgeries. He consumes enough useless health care in a year to fund a children's clinic. And he's rich as sh!t too.

Old people are almost always going to be the wealthiest segment of the population. Sure there are exceptions, but they have simply had much more time to build up assets. It makes zero sense to pay this guy social security in addition to his two other government pensions, in addition to his medical benefits from three seperate government programs. That money would be much better spent on children, who are the most likely group in our population to be in poverty and the most likely to benefit from medical care.

	08-01-2004 16:07									#40
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Mty grandfather server in WWII from 1940-1945 then worker from 21945-19902q in a motor behicle body shop.

He deserved every doolllat in pension that he was given sepeially since he tretired when he already 76 years old...

	08-01-2004 16:16									#41
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Mty grandfather server in WWII from 1940-1945 then worker from 21945-19902q in a motor behicle body shop. He deserved every doolllat in pension that he was given sepeially since he tretired when he already 76 years old...

Yea, most of my mother's side is like that. They did their bit (or more) and came back and worked their asses off until retirement, and many kept working into their 80s. They actually need their social security and medical benefits because they were poor white trash and never made much money, or saved much. I just think there should be means testing. I don't begrudge people what they have earned, but the wealthy don't belong on the dole.

	08-01-2004 19:20									#43
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo Did he turn the Oval Office into a sleazy place? I thought it has always been like that

Apparently you and a couple of others misunderstood what I meant by "sleazy."


Hint: sleazy, not as in political corruption, but as in . . . .

	08-01-2004 19:22									#44
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal He is talking about the"Greatest Generation". The people from the "Baby Boom" of WWI. They grew up during the depression, fought in WWII then had massive amounts of babies when the war was over. Well, now all those people from WWII are getting pretty old and they want their benneys they were promiced way back when... The "Whiniest Generation" is the tail end of the Gen Xer's IMNSHO.

Wow -- talk about boring, blatant egoistic self-worshipping.

	08-01-2004 19:23									#45
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You think that a bit of sex is worse than political corruption?

	08-01-2004 19:25									#46
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no, I don't

	08-01-2004 19:27									#47
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OMG tahT jokE IS teh FUNN!Y OMGFGOMFGOMOMFGOMFG!

	08-01-2004 21:00									#48
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KH for teh PRezidenstz! w00t!!!1!@

	08-01-2004 21:20									#49
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You'd think by now that people would understand that it wasnt about sex. He lied under oath.

	08-01-2004 21:24									#50
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yep, I sure am glad the Clinton years are over. All those jobs and prosperty sure did suck.

Hey, we can have that all come back again - drop the Enron, Worldcom, GE, etc. etc. etc. yadda yadda blah blah investigations, tell investors to pour money into dotcoms because in the new economy it doesn't matter if you make a profit or even have a product, and we can all ride that little bubble again.

	08-01-2004 21:30									#51
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Hey, we can have that all come back again - drop the Enron, Worldcom, GE, etc. etc. etc. yadda yadda blah blah investigations, tell investors to pour money into dotcoms because in the new economy it doesn't matter if you make a profit or even have a product, and we can all ride that little bubble again.

I have my eyes shut and my fingers in my ears *nah nah nah nah* I can't hear you. 4% unemployment good.

	08-01-2004 21:32									#52
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Apparently you and a couple of others misunderstood what I meant by "sleazy." Hint: sleazy, not as in political corruption, but as in . . . .

IIRC, it was Warren G Harding who was ****ing one of his secretaries and his wife caught on and went after him with a butcher knife while the secretary was hiding in a coat closet and Marines and Secret Service were trying to calm Mrs Harding and make sure the President stayed unstabbed. His wife was considered by some to be a suspect in his rather quick and mysterious death of apparent food poisoning.

Then we have Grover Cleveland, who fathered (or rather sperm-donored) two kids out of wedlock when he occupied the white house.

Then we have that little mini-crisis back when Indian murderin' Andy Jackson was pres, and the question came up as to whether it would be a constitutional issue for the Secreatry of War (in line of succession to the Presidency) to duel a sitting President for ****ing his wife.

So Clinton neither initiated sleaze in the white house, or brought it up to record levels.

	08-01-2004 21:34									#53
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I have my eyes shut and my fingers in my ears *nah nah nah nah* I can't hear you. 4% unemployment good.

Good, but unsustainable when it's driven by a bubble of fraud and bullshit and investor gullibility.

	08-01-2004 22:02									#54
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat IIRC, it was Warren G Harding who was ****ing one of his secretaries and his wife caught on and went after him with a butcher knife while the secretary was hiding in a coat closet and Marines and Secret Service were trying to calm Mrs Harding and make sure the President stayed unstabbed. His wife was considered by some to be a suspect in his rather quick and mysterious death of apparent food poisoning. Then we have Grover Cleveland, who fathered (or rather sperm-donored) two kids out of wedlock when he occupied the white house. Then we have that little mini-crisis back when Indian murderin' Andy Jackson was pres, and the question came up as to whether it would be a constitutional issue for the Secreatry of War (in line of succession to the Presidency) to duel a sitting President for ****ing his wife. So Clinton neither initiated sleaze in the white house, or brought it up to record levels.

good points