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Kuciwalker
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of Schmooism
Feb 2001
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Originally posted by Oncle Boris
UR and Sky, I think the question about the rock should be put this way: can an infinitely powerful being lift a rock with an infinite weight?
Then again, I guess an omnipotent being could just change the laws of gravity to lift anything he likes.
Even then, I suspect we might get to a Kant-like argument: if reason is in itself its own goal, we could argue that omnipotence similarly is: omnipotence is not stronger than itself. It is in this paradox that we find the idea that true understanding of omnipotence would be unaccesible to the human mind. Just like the result of 28/0 could be (well, I'm not so good in math, so I might be wrong here). |
I don't see any paradox. Say you have two omnipotent beings. One can hurt the other, certainly, unless the other prevents it. There is no paradox because in binding the actions of the other omnipotent being, you remove the omnipotence of it. I can comprehend "all-powerful" pretty easily, so the argument that I can't doesn't really work...
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Jon Miller
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Originally posted by Thriller
So if the universe is all that exists, what is a "parallel universe"?
And what about anti-matter? In what type of universe does this exist (or should I say, not-exist?)? |
you don't know what anti-matter is
it exists just fine in our universe
Jon Miller
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Ben Kenobi
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McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
time: 21:33
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Why? I cannot recall anywhere in the bible that hints about this.
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UR:
Good question, what does the bible say about the omnipotence of God?
Genesis 17:1
"When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, "I am God Almighty; walk before me and be blameless."
Numbers 11:21-3
But Moses said, "Here I am among six hundred thousand men on foot, and you say, 'I will give them meat to eat for a whole month!' Would they have enough if flocks and herds were slaughtered for them? Would they have enough if all the fish in the sea were caught for them?"
The LORD answered Moses, "Is the LORD's arm too short? You will now see whether or not what I say will come true for you."
Matthew 11:25-6
"When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"
Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
Heck, you have my old sig from just before MLK day.
Luke 1:36-7
"Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month. For nothing is impossible with God."
Regarding God's self-sufficiency:
Where does the name, YWHW come from?
In Hebrew, it means, I am who I am.
(Ex. 3:14-15).
"and He said, thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I AM has sent me to you... this is My eternal name, and this is how I am to be recalled for all generations."
What does this reveal about God? That he is eternal, for sure. He always is, he is never was, and never to come.
It also reveals that God is self-existent. No one created God, God alone is self-existent. He always existed. There was never one instant when He did not exist. He has no beginning and no end, in contrast to all other created things who originated somewhere at sometime.
Also, from John 5:26
"For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. "
What does Jesus mean when he says that the Father has life in himself? By this life, men do not have by themselves, they require the gift from God. God, does not need such a gift, instead, it is just as much a part of him, as any other quality.
Now, I am not a theologian, or a priest, and I am sure they will be able to answer your questions much better than I. However, the bible does proclaim both the self-sufficiency and omnipotence of God.
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Ben Kenobi
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McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
time: 21:33
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Well the truth is that we might not need him in our lives at all, but it is better for the peace of mind to believe in him anyway, for this way we could be a little bit more sure about that unpredicatable fate.
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HongHu:
People have tried, and continue to try to fill this gap. If we do not need him at all, why do we need to believe in him?
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What bearing does it have on the real state of humanity, Ben?
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Curtsibling:
In a deterministic universe, you would see man as a machine. Now, would it not be in the best interests of the world to figure out how to run these machines as efficiently as possible? Now, what theology does, is that it asks one question. If we are machines, where is the manual?
And that, is how theology, applies to the real world.
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