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Pax
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How do the policies of President Bush differ from those of Mr. Hitler?
From my understanding Fascism combines Nationalism with government and business working hand in hand.
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topeka, kansas,USA
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Iraq is the way it is because this world is ruled by the capitalist. |
Iraq wasn't ruled by a capitalist. According to that "logic", the USA and every other "capitalist" country should look like Iraq.
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The Iraqi people have never been liberated. Only their rulers have changed. |
That remains to be seen, the US won't leave (hopefully) until it is satisfied the likes of Al Qaida can't gain a new country to operate out of... But the US isn't going to "run" the country for long...
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For instance, your scale would put anarchists on the right and fascists on the left. |
That's where they belong, it is illogical for anarchistic libertarians and your brand of anarchism to sit on opposite sides of the spectrum. Fascism is dictatorial, so why would it be on the same side as anarchists? If the left end is totalitarianism, fascism can't be found on the right side. If you want to put anarchism at the left end, then the right end is totalitarian. Contrary to Sava's critique of the left/right spectrum, it does make sense and only makes sense when totalitarianism is at one end and anarchism is at the other. Of course, that doesn't really help us identify all the people in between but most people are authoritarian on some issues and anarchistic on others... But the mindset of a person who presumes to have an authoritarian mandate to deprive others of their freedom even if on a handfull of issues shows an authoritarian streak...
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Pax
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If we, the U.S. wanted to make sure Al Qaida could not use Iraq as a base for Operations we should not have invaded.
IRAQ IS THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE OF CAPITALISTS. All of these of these countries were controlled by the Colonial powers and set up not according to the wishes of the people but according to the wishes of the colonial powers. This a guarantee for a rebellion. Unless the Iraq is empowered with self determination then all we will end up doing is pushing the reset button to revolution.
Capitalism and free markets are not the same as democracy and Freedom. Just because corporations hace control of a nations resource does not a free people make.
Stability for the U.S. did not come from the barrel of a gun but from socioeconomic change that gave members of society increasing levels of imagined or actual freedom.
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Originally posted by GePap The problem with the war in Iraq is not that it happened, but HOW it happened, when it happened.
Today we have an occupation regime in Iraq itching to get out, unsure how to go about, now at this point, about 8 months late calling for UN help, and a situation in the ground which has a good chance of devolving into civil war due to the rush job of this war.
That has always and shall always be MY critique of this war..sadly, no one here has ever engaged that specific critique. |
I think you'll find that plenty of people, both those who didn't support the war and those who did, have criticisms of how the lead up to war was handled - including me. Bush did a piss poor job of trying to convince other nations of ending the regime of a brutal, mass murdering dictator and he (and powell) did a half assed job of doing so. His timing, is certainly questionable in hindsight, as if he had worked diplomatically for another month or few he could have gotten the support and help from some of the countries that had been on the sidelines, like Canada and so on. And his planing for the aftermath of the war was sorely lacking in both political debate and substance.
However, based on my experience, there are also a lot of people who have far more simplistic reasoning for being against the war (eg, "War=bad, Peace=good"), and even worse, individuals who simply oppose issues because Bush supports them. (Then again, plenty of supporters of the war have simmilarly simplstic reasoning).
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