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el freako
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Bristol, European Union
Oct 1999
time: 05:33
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Originally posted by yavoon
first the EU 25 is united on NOTHING. much less willing to die side by side against america. |
What would you call the single currency, sending one representative to the WTO to speak for the entire 25 coutries and common laws across the countries then?
Sure we are not as united as the US is now, but the integration is pretty impressive by historical standards - sure military unification is a joke now, but so was monetary unification, the absence of border controls and majority voting on european laws 25 years ago and they have all happened.
Also remember that the US was not very united in it's early decades either - it took nearly half a century for the federal government to be in charge of the army for instance (before the states each raised, paid for and controlled their own armies)
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Originally posted by yavoon
second that bullshit u were refering to about how u can copy america in WWII. we were in a massive depression, had high unemployment, empty factories. and half the country(women) were doing nothing! europe has none of those. |
Impressive doublethink by you there Yavoon, didn't you start this by saying
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Originally posted by yavoon
maybe stop paying ppl to not work. |
How can you reconcile what you said then to what you are saying now?
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Originally posted by yavoon
third there is no political sentiment for attacking nething possibly including small rodents in europe. the entire continent has no balls(britain is not on the continent). |
Rubbish, we have no desire to attack anyone because no-one is even remotely threatening us, as such we are just as gutless as the US was in the interwar period - but if the situation changes then so will we (as the US did).
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Originally posted by yavoon
and hell while we're adding #'s. the US economy props the world up. u think other ppl are going to let u take what drives their export driven economies and throw missiles at it so we can't afford their products nemore? wtf is that. |
China has added more to the world economy than the US has over the last 5 years (and more to world imports as well) - so I would say you are arguing using and erroneous assumption here
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Originally posted by yavoon
u are totally and completely incapable in all but the most fantasy of lands where # of ppl=possible military strength. of even matching the US's military prowess. and u r most certainly all but inept at ever hoping to launch an invasion against america. |
The same could be said of the US invading europe or asia in 1935 - I notice that you seem to ingnore the fact that as well as having more people than you we also have as large an economy (which is far more important).
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yavoon
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Originally posted by el freako
What would you call the single currency, sending one representative to the WTO to speak for the entire 25 coutries then?
Sure we are not as united as the US is now, but the integration is pretty impressive by historical standards - sure military unification is a joke now, but so was monetary unification, the absence of border controls and majority voting on european laws 25 years ago and they have all happened.
Also remember that the US was not very united in it's early decades either - it took nearly half a century for the federal government to be in charge of the army for instance (before the states raised, paid for and controlled the army)
Impressive doublethink by you there Yavoon, didn't you start this by saying
How can you reconcile what you said then to what you are saying now?
Rubbish, we have no desire to attack anyone because no-one is even remotely threatening us, as such we are just as gutless as the US was in the interwar period - but if the situation changes then so will we (as the US did).
China has added more to the world economy than the US has over the last 5 years (and more to world imports as well) - so I would say you are arguing using and erroneous assumption here
The same could be said of the US invading europe or asia in 1935 - I notice that you seem to ingnore the fact that as well as having more people than you we also have as large an economy (which is far more important). |
added more? ur using very shaky statistical grounds again. ur obviously a habitual abuser of statistics.
the reason u have no military is u have no political will for any military beyond attrition defense. I assume if by some UNFORESEEN circumstance this changes then sure. u have a lot of ppl. then again ur argument is now based on some unnamed unforeseen circumstance. while mine is based on reality.
I dont understand what u even mean by doublethink(not the definition, ur usage). but I sed "stop paying ppl to do nothing" in reference to how much ur welfare state costs u. not in reference to how many of ur ppl are unemployed. tho obviously that kind of distinction is either beyond u or ur too disingenuous and flamehappy.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:33
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According to the last figures I saw, with only an net increase accross the board of 58 billion european states could catch up to the US in general abilities, if not force size. On most techonological issues, the Europeans are not far behind: certainly in gorund forces they are equal in technology (as in, their tanks and amror personel carriers are as good as ours).
In the air, as far as airframes and such they are equal (heck, so are the russians). It becomes an issue of electronics, and there the Europeans could very easily catch up, since the US does not actually have any monopoly on complex computer systems- lets remember that the UK is a full partner in the development of the Joint Strike Fighter, that European states buy lots of US weapons, so forth.
At sea, the main difference is simply size: certainly the Europeans would have to spend trillions on shipbuilding, but they could do it if they wanted.
The big difference is in space, but the euros do have the tech to do it. In short, as el freako says, the Europeans, if they had the will, could catch up to the US in terms of military power within 20 years. Would it be expensive? Yes. But it could be done, period.
As for the troll, all the Euros have to do is get the Russkies to sacrifice themselves for the greater good and launch a full fledge nuclear first strike. Then they win, AND they suffer only from the environmental problems of a two sided nuclear exchange.
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Capt Dizle
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Folks here will argue about anything. This is the modern replacment for the barber shop.
Minus all the hair on the floor.
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31-01-2004 01:42
Well done, Dashi.
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