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Guynemer
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To all my fellow boys:
Lighten the **** up.
We're top dogs. We are the dominating force in culture. Deny it all you want, but we control government, business, everything, and we have done this since forever.
As top dogs, others are jealous of that status, and rightly so; there is nothing inherent within us that makes us top dog, other than it has always been so. So when there is a joke made about us, realize that it ain't hurting nothin', it ain't changing nothin'. Yes, it's in poor taste. Big deal. No one in their right mind, including children, actually thinks that this is advocating violence.
If the tables were turned, as some have suggested, and it was "throw rocks at girls" or gays or blacks or insert your prefered minority here, it would be in even more poor taste, because that **** actually ****ing happens.
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:33
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
So why is it right to encourage violence against men, and not against women? |
Ahhh, the purity of vision and lack of perspective of youth. 
The general "girl version" of reality in that age range is that boys are immature pushy dorks who like to do stupid stuff, especially if it can mess up what you like to do. "Throw rocks at them" is more like "get 'em to go away and stop bugging us" as opposed to "double points for making their ears bleed when you hit their head." Sometimes (and this is something where the PC crowd is the same, whether left or right) you have to go a bit past the literal "hooked on phonics" sound it out word by word way of doing things.
Let's say you're in a room with an ordinary, everyday human being and you engage him in conversation. Now let's have candidate number two - some really hot, cute young woman you'd like to ask out. Now let's say you're in a room with a known paranoid schizophrenic with auditory hallucinations and a nasty habit of spontaneously eviscerating people with whatever implements are at hand. Do you expect that your choice of words and expressions will be interpreted the same way? Didn't think so. So sometimes, under some circumstances, you likely vary what you say and how you say it depending on the audience, and in particular, how likely the audience is to respond in a particular way.
The male gender is, on the whole, more prone to violence and easier to incite to violence individually or as a group. Not to say there aren't exceptions, but most people really aren't going to use ten pound rocks to check the state of other people's brain matter based on a t-shirt with a cartoon and the saying "throw rocks at them" 
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But not all? What do we do for those losers who refuse to resort to rape? |
How many women have you known who've been raped? Or threatened with rape? Or punched or slapped around, or made to fear they would be, by fathers, brothers, boyfriends, husbands, or simply strangers? Any family members or close friends? Ever done any kind of volunteer work (any kind, but ten times the points if you've done martial arts training) for women at shelters for domestic violence victims?
I've seen it go the other way, with the women being instigators or mutual beating. Rarely. Not one percent as often as male on female violence.
Now, how many women do you know who have an absolute ability to know that a given stranger, or someone she's just met or casually knows, will never engage in rape or domestic violence? I've yet to meet any mind readers in that department.
How many cultures around the world not only allow, but expect men to **** around because "boys will be boys" but women are sluts, whores, (or else material for killing) if they're not virgins at marriage?
Reality is that gender issues are not symmetrical - not when the average physical abilities are signficantly different, when the emotional response and propensity for violent reaction is different (not "violent" in the legalistic sense, but the general fight side of the fight or flight instinct), and not when social mores for millenia have long considered women as objects and property.
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And how does this t-shirt condone any of these actions? If you argue that having a shirt that says, 'throw rocks at girls' condones rape, than what does the t-shirt against boys say to them? |
It doesn't condone anything in particular. It simply exists in a social context for a species with very distinct physical and emotional response differences between genders, and social contexts that far more often than not allow for total physical, social, and/or economic dominance of one gender by the other.
If women beat the crap out of men as often as the other way around, and were just as prone to both violence and cultures that condoned or accepted violence, you'd have a point about symmetry. If you had a world where you were just as likely to have matriarchal amazon-style societies where men were historically dominated, controlled, and kept in their place, then you'd have a point about symmetry. We don't live in that kind of world.
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03-02-2004 01:36
I agree with Sava on this one. (which is in itself reason for concern.)
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