09-02-2004 12:54									#121
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My position is that nothing a government does is immoral insofar as its dealings with other governments. You cannot impute morality to a thing, only to a person and then you can only hold that person to the prevailing moral standards of his society-the consensus moral beliefs.

A head of state or a body of statesmen acting in that capacity are essentially the state, and we are beating a dead strawhorse to even discuss morality in relation to states.

	09-02-2004 12:55									#122
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It's yo thread boss.

	09-02-2004 13:01									#123
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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick My position is that nothing a government does is immoral insofar as its dealings with other governments. You cannot impute morality to a thing, only to a person and then you can only hold that person to the prevailing moral standards of his society-the consensus moral beliefs. A head of state or a body of statesmen acting in that capacity are essentially the state, and we are beating a dead strawhorse to even discuss morality in relation to states.

Really? So on what basis did the world boycott and isolate South Africa until the regime capitulated to its own people?

	09-02-2004 16:37									#124
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I rather doubt that secret self help societies have much significance.

But I am mistrustful of anyone who joins one.


(Are you a member JohnT? )

	09-02-2004 19:36									#125
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Jimmy: Re. Bush and JFK.

Pax: "Your own statement also points to conspiracy when you say that there is a New England elite. "

No, no conspiracy. Just a logical consequence of the US' historical and economic development.

"Easily rigged over relatively small dollars."

However, both were immediately busted. Remember: Given time, the truth wins out. Especially conspiracies that involve more than 1.

"On the day that OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder the President revealed that the government had conducted radiation experiments on its citizens between the early 40's and 1974. "

No, the President confirmed that there were radiation experiments. The fact of these experiments was wide knowledge even back in the 1970's (when I was a kid, probably sooner.) Hell, I remember reading about them in such non-fiction potboilers as The Book of Lists and The People's Almanac by Wallace and Wallaschenski (sp!) back in 1977. No big secret there.

I gotta tell you... this is about as funny as it gets. A college fraternity out for world domination! Didn't I see this in Revenge of the Nerds IV? Or was it VI?

Btw, y'all can argue the Amerind issue between yourselves. I've got enough to do today without getting into that one.

	09-02-2004 19:39									#126
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quote: Originally posted by East Street Trader I rather doubt that secret self help societies have much significance. But I am mistrustful of anyone who joins one. (Are you a member JohnT? )

Check out the secret membership lists that are spread around the internet of this secret society. You'll find the name "John T.." sadly lacking.

	09-02-2004 19:39									#127
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither I'm waiting for the evidence of corruption, beyond being tied into the oil industry.

His lies about the war against Iraq, for starters.

	09-02-2004 20:33									#128
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Check out the secret membership lists that are spread around the internet of this secret society. You'll find the name "John T.." sadly lacking.

Oh, bad luck.

Unless, perhaps, you are just better at keeping your secret?

	09-02-2004 20:35									#129
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You'd think I'd tell you?

	10-03-2004 03:21									#130
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Nice thread that I missed.


The two Bushes weren't the first father and son president team. Look a lot earlier in American history for that to John Adams and John Quincy Adams. Other family ties in the presidency include.

Benjamin Harrison (the 23rd president) was the grandson of William Henry Harrison (the 9th president).

James Madison (the 4th president) and Zachary Taylor (the 12th president) were second cousins.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt (the 32nd president) was a fifth cousin of Theodore Roosevelt (the 26th president). also
Genealogists have determined that FDR was distantly related to a total of 11 U.S. presidents, 5 by blood and 6 by marriage: John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Ulysses Grant, William Henry Harrison, Benjamin Harrison, James Madison, Theodore Roosevelt, William Taft, Zachary Taylor, Martin Van Buren, and George Washington.

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	10-03-2004 05:12									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber also Genealogists have determined that FDR was distantly related to a total of 11 U.S. presidents, 5 by blood and 6 by marriage: John Adams,

So, how big is the elite from which presidents come?

10 000? 100 000?

	10-03-2004 17:16									#132
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That would be a good research project to find the linkages between the Presidents.