13-02-2004 21:00									#211
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I only really read the first post of this thread, but I do hope there has been a sufficient amount of sniggering over Fez getting "backstabbed". chuckle.

	13-02-2004 21:03									#212
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling So I imagine your ego is getting good exercise too? What with a whole thread to work out on.

A thread you keep alive by posting in it. Me too, of course, but I'm not complaining.

There's nothing wrong with flaunting your ego a bit, especially on the Internet... So, I wouldn't mind any pictures either (they'll be coming one way or another, with Fez back). Of course, I won't be looking either, but then who gives a ****?

Of course, with all the hostility, you can bet your ass you'll get some nasty comments on it. But a flame war a day keeps the um... whatever.

quote: Originally posted by Agathon I've seen it used both ways in academic writing, you get the second way a lot when reading about older stuff written in English/

In what way is this a "second way"? It fits the definition Fez gave just fine. And since you said you didn't know how to spell the word, how can you intentionally misspell it? It's really hard admitting you're wrong, isn't it?

	13-02-2004 21:06									#213
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quote: Originally posted by Mercator In what way is this a "second way"? It fits the definition Fez gave just fine. And since you said you didn't know how to spell the word, how can you intentionally misspell it? It's really hard admitting you're wrong, isn't it?

If you know that you've misspelled it - you don't need to know how to spell a word to know you've misspelled it. Idiot.

	13-02-2004 21:11									#214
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You could have spelled it correctly by chance. And the issue stands. Sic simply is not ever used in the way you used it.

Of course, I stand corrected if you can give me a quote of someone adding "sic" to his own unquoted modern English writing.

	13-02-2004 21:18									#215
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Agathon's definition makes more sense. If sic is just a way of say "hur hur, this person can't spell" then, well, anyone who uses it deserves to be punched. I'd like to think it has more redeeming qualities than that.

	13-02-2004 21:32									#216
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So, how often do you intentionally misspell something, and feel the need to explicitly point out you did so intentionally? And how often do you think that is the case in literature that is supposed to be serious (who would really care otherwise)? Not very redeeming, is it?

It's used in academic sources like that to be absolutely sure you're quoting correctly, not just to be pedantic (edit: well, I guess it IS just to be pedantic, but sometimes that is necessary). If you miss a typo in a quote, or misspell the quote yourself, how can the reader be sure the quote is accurate at all? In case of unconventional spellings (e.g. old English), it's used to indicate that that is actually the way it should be spelled and it's not just a typo of yours.

	13-02-2004 23:06									#217
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quote: Originally posted by Mercator So, how often do you intentionally misspell something, and feel the need to explicitly point out you did so intentionally? And how often do you think that is the case in literature that is supposed to be serious (who would really care otherwise)? Not very redeeming, is it?

sic is used when reporting an incorrect spelling or weird belief (yes, it is not just about spelling) to indicate that the writer knows it is incorrect to save pedants the effort of pointing it out.

In this case I was reporting my own error. There's no reason to cut out self reporting, which is what is happening here.

In this case I knew I'd misspelled it because I knew that what I'd written was wrong, but I couldn't remember the correct spelling. That sort of thing happens all the time. There's no general reason why someone has to know the correct spelling to know that they have spelled it incorrectly. For example, I don't know how to spell the full name for CFCs, but I could approximate it since I vaguely remember how it is spelt.

quote: It's used in academic sources like that to be absolutely sure you're quoting correctly, not just to be pedantic (edit: well, I guess it IS just to be pedantic, but sometimes that is necessary). If you miss a typo in a quote, or misspell the quote yourself, how can the reader be sure the quote is accurate at all? In case of unconventional spellings (e.g. old English), it's used to indicate that that is actually the way it should be spelled and it's not just a typo of yours.

It's also used in the case of reporting seemingly weird beliefs to indicate that that is actually what is believed. I've seen it used this way.

I've also seen it used when someone uses a slightly odd expression to express themselves.

from my previous link

quote: Used to mean "Yes, the text preceding this is intended to be written exactly this way.

Isn't that what I done[sic]?

again:

quote: Means "so" or "thus." Use within brackets, in italics, after a printed word or passage to indicate that it is intended exactly as printed, or that it exactly reproduces an original: He said, "I seen [sic] it all." "Sic" is a complete word and does not require a period. AP discourages the use of "sic" in news releases.

[Italics Mine]

http://www.ucop.edu/ucophome/coordr...lebook/r2z.html

I had a look around and I can find no consensus on whether it is only to be used one way or not. So shoot me.

	13-02-2004 23:09									#218
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Hi Fez. Nice to know your back.

	13-02-2004 23:20									#219
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Come on, Fez, post that shirtless pic. We need some fun.

	14-02-2004 00:44									#220
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Guys if you want to talk about the use of "sic" go open a thread on it.

quote: Originally posted by Mercator There's nothing wrong with flaunting your ego a bit, especially on the Internet... So, I wouldn't mind any pictures either (they'll be coming one way or another, with Fez back). Of course, I won't be looking either, but then who gives a ****? Of course, with all the hostility, you can bet your ass you'll get some nasty comments on it. But a flame war a day keeps the um... whatever.

In that case I won't post it.

	14-02-2004 01:04									#221
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Guys if you want to talk about the use of "sic" go open a thread on it.

Liar, we know you love it when we bump your threads with inane ramblings

	14-02-2004 02:06									#222
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon In this case I was reporting my own error. There's no reason to cut out self reporting, which is what is happening here. [...]

OK, I see your point. I still think it's at least a rather unorthodox use, but we're not getting anywhere...

But I'll just shoot you all the same.

quote: Originally posted by Fez In that case I won't post it.

See! It's possible to convince Fez not to post shirtless pics without being mean.

	14-02-2004 02:40									#223
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quote: For example, I don't know how to spell the full name for CFCs

Typical arts bullshit.

Chloro-Flouro-Carbons.

	14-02-2004 04:42									#224
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: For example, I don't know how to spell the full name for CFCs Typical arts bullshit. Chloro-Flouro-Carbons.

Hmmph.

Typical scientific illiteracy and arrogance.

It is of course chlorofluorocarbons.

From fluor, fluorine, gem like mineral, and non metallic element grouped with bromine, iodine and chlorine.

From the Latin fluo, flow, from which we also derive fluent.

Not from flour. That might be a different kind of compound altogether-

'Tasty slice of chloroflourocarbon toast dear?'

	14-02-2004 04:51									#225
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Fez - go ahead and post that picture... and have a poll so people can rate it

I've seen 'sic' being used in newspapers when they quote someone.

	14-02-2004 04:53									#226
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quote: Originally posted by Mercator But I'll just shoot you all the same.

Ouch!

	14-02-2004 05:38									#227
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quote: Originally posted by DataAeolus Fez - go ahead and post that picture... and have a poll so people can rate it

Average score -1 out of 10.

Anyways, I have had good luck today.. which is pretty ****ed up. It is Friday 13th. My boyfriend Robert decided to call and told me he was in Miami because of unforseen circumstances with his grandparents.

	14-02-2004 05:39									#228
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quote: Anyways, I have had good luck today.. which is pretty ****ed up. It is Friday 13th.

Quick, man, before it's too late! Walk under 7 ladders, trip over a black cat, and fall into a mirror to break it! HURRY!

	14-02-2004 05:41									#229
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I broke a mirror once and the 7 years finally ran out recently. *sigh*

	14-02-2004 22:34									#230
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All we need now is Wiglaf to come back and the circle is complete