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curtsibling
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of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:33
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Originally posted by Elok
But you started the bloody threadjack with your "three questions" way back when! And as I said, the "quote from the old book" was an answer by our standards.
Sorry, MrFun, but I can't start a thread exlusively to settle a beef, and PMs are too easy to ignore. This crap has to end. I might as well point out that you too are a "religionist" referencing an old book, and this isn't really a threadjack, as he's attacking the validity of the subject of the thread, Leviticus being part of said old book. |
You have a beef? 
That is really too bad. 
Well, I am sorry (to the thread starter) if our tete-a-tete disrupted things.
But now Mr Elok is dead set on some kind of catharsis.
My take on the thread is clear as daylight:
The bible is an outdated old book that should have been dumped in the trash of history.
But people still want to run our societies in the info age based on these creaking, primitive scribblings.
There, I'm on topic.
Now, Mr Elok.
Are you ready to leave off?
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curtsibling
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of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:33
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
So, then we should also dump out Plato, Aristophenes, Aristotle, Socrates, Sophocles, and all the Greeks, because their works are old and outdated? How many Scholastics do we see today? |
If the ideas are outdated, yes.
And that goes for other 'holy' tomes too, such as the koran and bhagavad-gita.
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MrFun
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of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:33
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Not a very good argument, Mr. Fun.
Section starting from Lev 19:1
The LORD said to Moses, "Speak to the entire assembly of Isreal and say to them: 'Be holy because I, the Lord your God, am holy.' "
He addresses, not just the priests, but the whole of Israel. There are parts of Leviticus that are devoted to priestly conduct, but Lev 20:13 is not among them. |
Leviticus 20:1
"The Lord spoke to Moses, saying: Say further to the people of Israel: Any of the people of Israel, or of the aliens who reside in Israel . . ."
This is very similar to the section you quoted, but this one is introducing the same section of the famous quote homophobics like to use.
Howeveer, it seems that since Leviticus is mostly concerned with priests, that when God addressed all of people of Israel, he wanted all of them to know how their priests ought to conduct themselves.
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The Mad Monk
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of Ice Cream
Mar 2000
time: 23:33
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Originally posted by curtsibling
I got no discussion from anyone.
All I got was a quote from an old book, accompanied by egostistical smugness.
Instead they regurgitate dogma.
I asked some questions, and didn't get any sort of answer, apart from evasion and lame abuse.
My point that most religious people don't want to answer certain questions was soundly proven.
My point is done and dusted.
Now if you want to continue, it must be in another thread.
You know the rules about thread-jacking. |
Both Elok and Berserker answered your questions; instead of engaging them on those answers, you ignored them in an effort to get a rise out of me. You then claim that no one has given you "any sort of an answer", and that we are being hostile to you for no good reason.
Your motives are clearly to entertain yourself by disrupting the conversations of those you dislike.
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Ben, Elok, Dinodoc & Co., don't play his game. He just wants to see you get worked up over his Grand Pronouncements, because it makes him feel important. I wouldn't respond here again at all, but I hate to see you all wasting time and effort on this -- save it for the more open-minded individuals who are prepared to discuss things reasonably.
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Elok
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Land of Ramen Dragons
Mar 2003
time: 00:33
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Oh, and in response to MrFun:
Let me make clear from the start that I am not screaming for the blood of gays or anything. I'm merely playing devil's advocate.
With that said, most of the distinctions between the behavior of priests and that of laity, in the Orthodox tradition at least, are tied to the sacramental duties of the clergy or their position within the community, not just as some higher standard of morality. God ostensibly calls all to sainthood. For example, the thing about celibacy (in parts of the Christian, not Judaic, tradition) is due partly to the need of Priests to be ever attentive to the troubles of their flock, and to minimize conflicting responsibilities. In Orthodoxy, it's that married men may join the priesthood, but priests may not marry, because of the need to avoid the scandal and awkwardness of one's parish priest and father confessor being one's ex-boyfriend, among other things. Regardless, the idea there is not that marriage is a vulgar thing as such, only that it is best treated with caution by the priesthood.
Also, how do you reconcile that idea with the concept of chastity? Do you envision homosexual marriage, or is gay sex not considered fornication by your view of things? Just wondering.
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MrFun
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of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:33
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Originally posted by Elok
Oh, and in response to MrFun:
Let me make clear from the start that I am not screaming for the blood of gays or anything. I'm merely playing devil's advocate.
With that said, most of the distinctions between the behavior of priests and that of laity, in the Orthodox tradition at least, are tied to the sacramental duties of the clergy or their position within the community, not just as some higher standard of morality. God ostensibly calls all to sainthood. For example, the thing about celibacy (in parts of the Christian, not Judaic, tradition) is due partly to the need of Priests to be ever attentive to the troubles of their flock, and to minimize conflicting responsibilities. In Orthodoxy, it's that married men may join the priesthood, but priests may not marry, because of the need to avoid the scandal and awkwardness of one's parish priest and father confessor being one's ex-boyfriend, among other things. Regardless, the idea there is not that marriage is a vulgar thing as such, only that it is best treated with caution by the priesthood.
Also, how do you reconcile that idea with the concept of chastity? Do you envision homosexual marriage, or is gay sex not considered fornication by your view of things? Just wondering. |
Obviously, I do not view gay sex as a sin, nor as fornication.
And right now, I'm pressed for time with my graduate studies, and unfortunately, before I can argue with your contention that the moral laws in Leviticus apply to clergy as well as lay people, I need to go back and reread the section and analyze it.
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