19-02-2004 12:00									#91
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quote: Maybe because very few people live there? If so few people are really affected, how can your whole economy suffer so much?

Few people in areas between highly populated ones, but you need someway to get goods and people between one highly populated area to another. This requires going through sparsely populated areas.. which makes trains unfeasible and cars/trucks necessary. After all, making train stops in towns full of 100 people ain't going to make you much money, but driving down the parkway and stopping for food/gas/rest is totally economically feasible as things exist in the US.

	19-02-2004 13:01									#92
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What do you mean? Trains are excellent for connecting two highly populated areas through rural areas.

	19-02-2004 13:51									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant BTW, in China they have a shortage of heating fuel oil, so people are heating their homes with human/animal crap, they are calling the goldish/brown haze from it, a toxic killer cloud(no pun intended).

So that's where that yellow haze comes from.

	19-02-2004 22:58									#94
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And even if a car is absolutely necessary for example by a farmer,
you could solve the problem by subsidizing the fuel for this purpose, for example by giving farmers and other people who can prove that it is absolutely necessary for their work that they drive a lot (and I donīt speak about the usual commuters ) a reduction in their Income-Taxes for every gallon of fuel they buy (of course the reduction should be less than the Taxes payed on the gas, for example 50% of them)

Or, you could base the Reduction in Incometax on the Distance between Home and work or on the Miles driven because of the job (of course the burden of proof, that these Miles were really driven because of the job is on the citizen who wants to get the Reduction in Income Tax).

This way also commuters would pay less for the Gasoline they use because of their job

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	20-02-2004 03:03									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Hurricane I think this says a lot about the current situation. The technology for being environment-friendly, without sacrificing our way of living, already exists. The problem is that much of this is more expensive than what we use now (of course, upgrading always costs). This is why the state should encourage this upgrading with excises and taxes on environment-unfriendly things. However, as it is now, with Bush taking huge donations from the oil and energy industry, change is going to be slow.

Most of the cost is for platinium to use in fuel cell and for safe storage of hydrogen gas. Compress Hydrogen gas is dangerous hit one bump in a road and it explose on you. There are two methord to storage H2 gases. One have to break brown than well know preverate call fromahkye which can release hight toxic fume into the car it cheap but that all. The second menthord use metals that can be united with hydrogen gas to form metal hydride which can release h2 gases with slow heating very expensive as metals must be replace so ofter as they lose they abilities to united with h2 gases.

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When the car first saw daylight, it was required a man would precede it, (on foot) carrying a red flag to announce it's arrival because it was said to be too dangerous.

	20-02-2004 05:18									#97
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quote: Originally posted by CharlesBHoff *SNIP* I have 100 ton of U-238 *SNIP*

Ahhh...

The radiation explains your odd typing

	20-02-2004 06:02									#98
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I think its an understatement we dont make anything anymore. There are plently of things here we make. I work for PCB/Chipset manufacturer and we sell more boards to Defense, Military, & such we make our tiawan competitors feel silly. Hell we even make boards for some of our forgiegn competitors, our quality is so much better.

Oh its Sanmina SCI
we make most of our stuff here.


Anyway. I hate outsourcing asmuch as the next guy. But not say we 'dont' make anything anymore is a missunderstanding. Sanmina is building new plants across the world include 3 the USA and 1 in finland by 2008

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	20-02-2004 06:33									#99
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Out of curiosity how big or common is recycling in the States ?

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quote: Originally posted by alva When the car first saw daylight, it was required a man would precede it, (on foot) carrying a red flag to announce it's arrival because it was said to be too dangerous.

AFAIK it was because Horses often shied away from cars (and traffic those days was almost exclusively Horses).

The Law with waving a flag in front of the car had btw. survived til modern times.

In Waynesboro it was illegal for a woman to drive a car up Main Street unless her husband was walking in front of the car waving a red flag.

The law seems to have been repealed just a short time ago

http://www.justafreak.com/law/virgina.shtml

	20-02-2004 07:34									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Few people in areas between highly populated ones, but you need someway to get goods and people between one highly populated area to another. This requires going through sparsely populated areas.. which makes trains unfeasible and cars/trucks necessary.

The busiest railroad in the world (350 million tons of freight per year) is located in Nebraska.

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quote: In Waynesboro it was illegal for a woman to drive a car up Main Street unless her husband was walking in front of the car waving a red flag.

Ahh, that's why they invented "the divorce"..

	20-02-2004 20:13									#103
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Lancer when you ask what other can do to stop polluting instead searching what you can do for yourself then you are maybe not on the right track...

	20-02-2004 22:55									#104
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quote: Originally posted by MrBaggins Ahhh... The radiation explains your odd typing

U-238 give off apha particle which cannot penerate one piece of paper. 100 ton of cobalt-60 is damage as it give off gamma radiation which can kill you.

	20-02-2004 23:32									#105
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quote: Originally posted by CharlesBHoff quote: Originally posted by MrBaggins quote: Originally posted by CharlesBHoff *SNIP* I have 100 ton of U-238 *SNIP* Ahhh... The radiation explains your odd typing U-238 give off apha particle which cannot penerate one piece of paper. 100 ton of cobalt-60 is damage as it give off gamma radiation which can kill you.

A little comedy tip for you... never let scientific accuracy get in the way of a good joke.

	22-02-2004 03:28									#106
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quote: Originally posted by MrBaggins Ahhh... The radiation explains your odd typing

U-238 give off apha particle which cannot penerate one piece of paper. 100 ton of cobalt-60 is damage as it give off gamma radiation which can kill you. [/QUOTE]

A little comedy tip for you... never let scientific accuracy get in the way of a good joke. [/QUOTE]

U-238 is fairly safe to handle for awhile. In fact the background radiation from Uranium was good for life on earth as it encought mutration in liveing thing. Co-60 have than half life of 5 year which mean it give off more radiation than U-238 which does it over 4 billion year.
There was talk in America of builting than Cobalt bomb by the anti-peace criminal Dr Teller. It would have been than Fission-Fusion-fission&Cobalt bomb with 60000 kg of cobalt being in it. It would have destory all life on earth it if ever use in large scale.

	22-02-2004 04:57									#107
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This reminds me of "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" where the last remnants of human Civilization worhip a Cobalt Bomb as their God (which they detonate as the Apes attack, thereby destroying the whole Planet Earth )

	23-02-2004 08:50									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Proteus_MST This reminds me of "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" where the last remnants of human Civilization worhip a Cobalt Bomb as their God (which they detonate as the Apes attack, thereby destroying the whole Planet Earth )

No cobalt bomb where never built on this Earth as how are you going to test this.

	23-02-2004 10:03									#109
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Maybe becasue statistics(which according to Twain come right after damn lies) say that the U.S. is the leading consumer of oil and materials, and blah blah blah. Maybe becasue we didn't dign that whole treaty for the environment, or whatever it was, I don't remember.