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Is this acceptable? (3 Days)
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Dominae
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Do we know for a fact that CGN has been planning this unit teleport since 390AD? I was under the impression that it was us that told them they teleport their units, and this only a turn or two ago (430AD).
If they were not aware of this trick, then they should not be allowed to undo all the horrible moves they made in the intervening years. A whole five turns seems like an awful lot of leeway for a team that, let's face it, really screwed up their own chances at survival through horrible military tactics.
Dominae
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Dominae
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A couple of weeks ago is 5 turns? On what turn did CGN pillage their Roads? I find it hard to believe that they were planning this all along...
Dominae
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Dominae
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So would it not be a fair compromise to replay from 420AD instead of 390AD? I mean this as a compromise between those who voted against replaying and those who voted for.
Dominae
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wervdon
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In principle I'm against going back this many turns and having a "redo", but I'm still voting yes in this case for 1 simple reason:
When we took part in the exploit we gave up any legit claim to a meaningful victory (should victory occur), by going back to so far before the exploit I think we in part gain that back should we pull off a win. Our reputation may still be a bit tarnished, but we can honestly say we did it to prove a point and when it came down to it we didn't object to undoing the damage once the point was proven.
As for how it helps/hurts CGN, I don't think that should factor into a decision like this.
One last thing: Get peace out of GCA as part of this deal. Disbanded units is cool, peace is better, both is perfect.
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MJW
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MN,USA
Jul 2002
time: 23:34
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Change one vote from No to Yes. I missclicked. I did not post this earlyer because the internet crashed.
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MJW
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MN,USA
Jul 2002
time: 23:34
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Change one vote from no to yes because i misclicked. I did not post this earlyer because the internet crashed.
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BigFurryMonster
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EMPEROR of Cats
Feb 2002
time: 06:34
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You posted twice. Do we need to change two "no" votes to "yes" ?
edit: add +1 to the Banana. I really don't know about this...
Last edited by BigFurryMonster on 21-02-2004 at 21:58
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MJW
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MN,USA
Jul 2002
time: 23:34
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Double post
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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:34
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Again, I beg to differ in that we really could've singlehandedly altered the course of the UN debate. I was looking back on the UN a few minutes ago and saw precisely where the plans to replay from 390 AD wen't astray:
From page 6 of the UN thread:
Trip:
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We are close to an agreement.
Apolyton supports the proposal to return to 390 AD, and Apolyton and GCA are close to coming to an agreement about WW and reparations as well.
Do the teams have an official decision as to whether or not to return to 390 AD?
Apolyton will soon have an official decision, and as MZ said, it is currently positive.
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Lucky:
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GCA citizens have voted in favor of replaying from 390AD.
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Trip:
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Also, Apolyton and GCA have come to an agreement regarding WW and the previous teleportation.
Once teams vote on returning to 390 AD, we can continue the game.
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Striker (GWT):
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Ok, we would prefer to continue the game as it is, BUT
if all teams want to continue the game at 390AD than I'll say yes...
...let us play with friendship
Striker
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a few more posts down:
Lucky:
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Did CGN officially acknowledge the latest decisions?
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Trip:
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An official ratification of the whole package? Not sure.
They did approve of the 390 AD start (they did propose it after all ).
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THEN HERE IS WHERE IT DAWNED ON GWT AND THEY BEGAN GETTING STUBBORN ABOUT REPLAYING FROM 390AD (also note that all previous support on replaying had come from everyone BUT zeri who is their turnplayer and leader)
Zeri (GWT):
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why 390ad?
I must ask this again, i have looked on Shots from 420ad.
Boston and New Castle have all lux so no street was pillaged.
Netas troops can go faster on their streets as GWT can, so I see no reason for 390, only one: More time to go home for Neta.
I have ask the question yesterday or two days before and get the answer that in 390ad neta begun to plan the escape. Whats that for a plan, where nothing going on in three rounds?
Sorry, but this makes me very distrustful.
I'm tight of the answers
edit: It's possible that i haven't understand a post or overread a post, but please tell me again (?) why 390 is better then 420ad
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Lucky (suddenly in support of GWT)
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Besides CGN not yet acknowledging that we should restart play, we also have the issue that mongoose is not available at the moment. He hasn´t replied here or to any other forms of communications lately. :s
Now, I´ll gladly start playing tonight again, but I´d also like to have a go ahead from a majority including mongoose.
And yes, as zeri mentioned, 390AD might be the time the planning started but no action happened until at least 2 turns later.
So in effect you are weakening us, you are weakening GWTs position and strengthening Netatolias on a grand scale by giving them so much excess time. How is that fair since it was CGN that abused the unit jumping in the grandest scale of all?
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AND FINALLY, THE BIG ONE:
Miccofl:
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A mere thirty hours ago we were more than willing to copromise. Our official posts took great care not to use words that would inflame the situation; at the time, almost everyone else was doing the same. Then, something happened to change that; someone used the word cheat and directed it at us, a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. Well Mr. Pot, Mr. Kettle is here to inform you that you are just as black. The actions we took last turn were no more cheating than the actions that were taken 23 turns ago.
So now, it’s out in the open. We all cheated, we all had approval to cheat and we all took advantage. If we continue, this game will be forever tainted by it (regardless if we all agree to stop now or not.) The time for it to stop was many turns ago, not now. Regardless of the outcome, if we proceed, we are all going to look back on this and think; “They cheated!” I don’t think that is something that any of us want.
The only acceptable solution, one that eliminates cheating and the fact that everyone cheated, is to go back before the cheating started and “do over.” Yes, GCA gets the short end of the stick but that is the end they had before this whole mess started. Go back to before GCA made their teleport, and then we can go forward.
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It went on downhill from there. If you look at the correspondance between us and CGN, we attempted to talk them into not replaying from 390 but a little afterwards but they refused and refused (I believe that chat was with SL3).
In this situation, honestly, tell me what we could have done to change what happened?
-MZ
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