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mart7x5
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From the recently posted map, if I read colors correctly, PKs start somewhere between Planetneck and Great Dunes. To north-west there is Hive which probably will take over the Monsoon Jungle, and to the north there are Spartans. Not the best starting location, but with a little luck it may be an excellent place still. If Lal is succesful to take over Cape Storms Peninsula after sending colonists through Planetneck, that will be ok place. There is also one more Landmark nearby - Fossil Fuel Ridge. If Spartans are fast enough, they will take it over, otherwise Lal will use it for his sea bases as soon as possible. Other Lal's priority in that location would be colonization of Isle of Dexamenus. If all of this is succesful, PK may be real power.
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Mellian
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sooo are you saying you like the planetneck continent location better? second option i thought up would to have the Peacekeepers and Spartans around Freshwater Sea, with of PKs to the east of it and the Spartans where the Unity Crash Site was (the modified map doesn't have it, as it was to huge...so i just assume it missed the continent and crashed into the sea between the continent and the great rift....so whats left could possible be plundered by the spartans or some other faction at some point.)
Caretakers will be moved up in to the middle of pholus ridge, or basicly exactly in the middle between the cult and spartans, and the Usurpers will be relocated to the planetneck continent around the dune desert area.
-mellian
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mart7x5
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That second location is good too. There is a lot of interesting land east from Freshwater Sea. I should be fine with both. The Fresh Sea location might be though safer for Peacekeepers. Certainly nutrients would be better there.
Any of these two locations are ok, and the better for the story should be chosen, so you can decide.
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mart7x5
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Maybe Drones are just both from MI and Hive. Domai may be from one of them only, but he may have his closest advisors from both factions. That would make sense to me.
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Mellian
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maybe later on, but the Free Drones started off as a split off from the Hive, canonly. just read the alien crossfire story blurs in its small manual, of where Domai is in this 'cafetaria' with other drones eating nutrient sticks, with Hive guards watching over them.
-mellian
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Mellian
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that map is just starting areas. once we agree with it, then we'll start the base placement stuff, how bases a faction would have by 2250, and etc.
-mellian
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Mellian
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here is the next draft of the starting locations of factions.
is everyone okay with this one?
-mellian
 Attachment: acsuggest2.jpg
This has been downloaded 46 time(s).
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Mellian
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i notice that as well, but doubt they will simply go straight for each others throat, despite their mutual animosity. there can always be a need to attack humans... for resources, for being allies to the other proginator faction, to have access to some unique landmarks like the Ruins, the Manifold Complex and the Borehole Cluster, if the humans are simply in the way, or etc.
Caretakers and Cult of Planet would make natural allies, considering both their pro-planet views, and caretakers would be interested on the Ruins...so why not make a friend at the same time?
anyway, i doubt the proginators would know right away that they have both survived the battle in space, and will be sometime before they both can create both an army and a navy strong enough to invade each other. well, they could also try to nuke each other...but i think they would of thought of that possibility and attempt to raise defences against such possible attacks.
eventually in the future, if either of the proginator factions starts building their subspace centres to eventually contact the rest of their faction in space somewhere, the humans would really have to get their butt in gear and attempt to stop them anyway they can.
-mellian
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Sovereign
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Damn. A whole page of new posts I gotta wade through, after just 36 hours.
Map looks good.
I'm a little confused with Franky. What exactly does he mean by sub-author?
Also, what other factions still don't have an author?
So far I know...
Drones
Spartans
Cyborgs
Unsurper
Caretaker
Cult ***
*** I'm not sure if Obstructor is gonna write for both the Cult and the Gaians. Or is he just gonna write for the Gaians?
Will authors be allowed for the Progenitors? Or will they remain independent of all authors?
Also, I think we should disable the "Supreme Leader" and "Ascent to Transcendence" victory conditions. IMHO, in an author stroy such as this, these will be cheap cop-outs.
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GeneralTacticus
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of Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2001
time: 15:34
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Also, I think we should disable the "Supreme Leader" and "Ascent to Transcendence" victory conditions. IMHO, in an author stroy such as this, these will be cheap cop-outs. |
The Ascent to Transcendence, yes, although I think we're highly unlikely to actually reach that point - the whole supreme LEader thing, however, is something that might be talked about periodically, or might eventually become a serious issue, but with so many factions with differing views, I don't think it would ever happen. The most it would come to (unless some incredibly charismatic leader managed something really heroic, like preventing a Progenitor invasion) would be an excuse for certain factions to go on a conquest drive - e.g. "I have been proclaimed Supreme Leader! Bow down before me now or we will destroy you!".
And that, of course, might be interesting, so we shouldn't ban it outright.
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Sovereign
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Well, technically, from what I remember, if a faction gets 3/4 of the votes, he / she can declare Supreme Leader.
If Peacekeepers built the Empath Guild, and the two other Wonders that give even more bonus votes. Then the high population growth and bonuses, then factor in the Peacekeeper's 50% Planetary Council votes bonus...
If Peacekeepers grow big enough, they can vote themselves Supreme Leader.
Say...
Peacekeepers end up with 7600 votes.
All the other factions votes combined comes up to 2400 votes.
Peacekeepers automatically win if they vote themselves Supreme Leader.
This is the kind of cop-out situation I want to avoid in cooperative story writing.
I suggest a compromise and a few ideas how to try to modify this Supreme Leader thing.
1. Remove Peacekeeper's 50% Planetary Council vote bonus
2. Increase votes needed for Supreme Leader to 90% of all Council Votes.
3. Disable the "Victory" condition. But keep the concept of "Unify behind me, or Vendetta!". This way, our story can keep going, rather than an abrupt end like in the actual SMAC-X games.
I simply don't want "I won! I won! HAHAHAHA!" kind of thing happening.
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Mellian
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not in the peacekeepers nature to declare themselves 'supreme leader'. we should keep in mind of how other factions are, and how they would realistic respond to such a declaretion. rest of chiron would have to be pretty beating up and etc to simply bow down to one leader, to one faction.
i see the peacekeepers simpyl being content to being planetary governor and the rest of the factions properlly abying to the UN Charter. also, if Chiron was ever to unite, they would have a kind of constitution where there is the potential for a leader of any faction could get voted in.
-mellian
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08-04-2004 18:18
Thanks Mell for reconfirming my assumptions.
I was thinking that I would just steer the Believers around until another author took them over....or that I would provide minor characters to the Believer plotline, while the main author steered the direction that the faction was going.
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