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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:34
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honestly, the ad itself doesn't bother me at all, the one with 9/11.
but after reading something quoted in salon:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2..._ads/index.html
(yes, i know its biased, and some of it might be the way it was written into the article, but...)
quote:
But Bush's spokeswoman and longtime advisor Karen Hughes told Rice and other family members on Thursday that they are plain wrong to be incensed that Bush-Cheney '04 is using 9/11 footage in a multimillion dollar ad campaign. "With all due respect, I just completely disagree, and I believe the vast majority of the American people will as well," she said in a television interview.
Hughes, unlike many protesting family members of 9/11 victims, approves of the ground zero footage in the president's political ads, using the kind of language some use to describe softcore porn. "I think it is very tasteful," she said. "It is a reminder of our shared experience as a nation."
And those who disagree with her and the White House clearly have an agenda, Hughes says. They must be partisan. They must be Democrats. "I can understand why some Democrats might not want the American people to remember the great leadership and strength the president and first lady Laura Bush brought to our country in the aftermath of that," Hughes said. |
simply put, while i'm not offended by the ad, and i don't really find anything about bush using it that offensive, i find hughes's apparent callousness absolutely offensive.
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The Mad Monk
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of Ice Cream
Mar 2000
time: 23:34
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It's interesting.
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“With all due respect, I just completely disagree, and I believe the vast majority of the American people will as well,” Karen Hughes, a Bush campaign adviser, told CBS News' The Early Show.
“Sept. 11 was not just a distant tragedy. It's a defining event for the future of our country. ... Obviously, all of us mourn and grieve for the victims of that terrible day, but Sept. 11 fundamentally changed our public policy in many important ways, and I think it's vital that the next president recognize that.”
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...ain603941.shtml
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"I respectfully, completely disagree," Bush adviser Karen Hughes said Thursday on CNN's "American Morning."
"Your viewers saw the ad. I think it's very tasteful. It's a reminder of our shared experience as a nation. I mean September 11th is not just some distant tragedy from the past, it really defined our future." |
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLI...ez.bush.ads.ap/
I've been trying to locate a transcript, but it's not cooperating.
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MrBaggins
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Originally posted by The diplomat
"abuse" is a strong word, don't you think? The ads simply reminds us of a historical event. It does not twist the event, it does not interpret the event. Bush is not abusing 9/11.
And what about Kerry who uses Vietnam in his ads? He is abusing Vietnam and the poor souls who died in that war for political gain.
If it is wrong for Bush to use 9/11 for political gain, it should also be wrong for Kerry for use Vietnam for political gain too! |
I wouldn't have any problem if Rudy Gulliani used images of 9/11 in his ads (provided they were tasteful,) but when Bush uses them, its certainly insincere.
What did Bush have to do with those images? Certainly not pay NYC the money that he promised he would... he's no better or more righteous in this regard than an absentee dad.
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MrBaggins
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Originally posted by The diplomat
How do you know it is insincere? You just don't like Bush, so you assume that he is being insincere or disingenuine with these ads.
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Bush has a history of inserting himself into situations just for P.R. purposes... E.G. 9/11 WTC, and that stunt on the aircraft carrier when he represented himself as a warrior, when the closest he'd gotten to combat was a painful teeth cleaning in Alabama.
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Bush showed tremendous leadership during the days after 9/11. When he visited NY against the advice of the secret service, he lifted the morale of a lot of people who badly needed. he gave his all to the men and women who lost loved ones on that day. he showed tremendous character and courage, and moral leadership. To say that he is like an absentee dad, is simply false and outrageous. |
I've seen zero evidence of character or courage... particularly when you consider his war record. Watching while someone else does the hard work is Georges M.O.
Absentee dads don't pay the support that they promise. Explain how this isn't the same.
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Sava
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GO GO GO!
Mar 2001
time: 23:34
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quote:
Bush showed tremendous leadership during the days after 9/11. When he visited NY against the advice of the secret service, he lifted the morale of a lot of people who badly needed. he gave his all to the men and women who lost loved ones on that day. he showed tremendous character and courage, and moral leadership. To say that he is like an absentee dad, is simply false and outrageous. |
the absentee dad comment is due to the FACT that Bush promised $20 billion to New York... they eventually got $9 billion, after begging... and they deducted National Guard costs from that $9 billion.
Bush is a shithead... and so are the moron supporters that don't know the truth of his callousness.
I don't give half a crap about his ads. I'm actually glad he's trying to exploit 9-11 rather than run a smear campaign against Kerry like Bush did to John McCain in the 2000 primaries. Bush's ads said McCain fathered an illegitimate black child (a complete lie), was doing the bidding of North Vietnamese (which people in the Nedaverse still believe), and that McCain faked his POW treatment.
Frankly, it's surprising Bush isn't showing ads with John Kerry next to Osama bin Laden, like Bush's people did to Max Cleland during the 2002 campaign.
In terms of the slimy and utter **** Bush ads usually are, this one is actually quite harmless.
Bush haters will hate it (or be like me and not care), Bush lovers will love it, and people in the middle won't pay attention.
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Inverse Icarus
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flying too low to the ground
May 2001
time: 00:34
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Alright, who here thinks Bush's "9-11" ("a day of tradgedy") commercial is offensive?
I want a show of hands. |
i don't find it offensive in the true sense of the word. the response after 9-11 indeed showed the strength and unity amoungst americans. and although bush was a strong figure during those dark times (eclipsed only by Rudy), he wasn't responsible for the actions of the majority of Americans, which he seems to be taking credit for.
so, i'm kind of neutral on the issue. Bush did a bang up job of keeping cool, calm, and collected immediately following the attacks. he didn't go about and slaughter anyone capable of doing it, he figured it out first. he stood on TV and made speeches he probably didn't write, but he WAS there. the entire nation watched him, and he stood proud, so we all did.
i don't like how he lumps the spirit of the american citizens with himself though. Firemen from Minnesota came to New York out of their own free will, not because Bush told them to. he seems to be taking credit for basic human decency / a deisre to help others.
ahhh. a surge of patriotism just swelled in me when i remembered all those people who came to the aid of new york. see? it's working.
USA! USA! USA!
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:34
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quote:
Originally posted by GePap
Cause brit Hume (ex republican speechwriter) of course is completely umbiased...
And again, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU PEOPLE EXPECT! Is everyone here so utterly clueless about politics? All those attacks vs Kerry and him being called "Hanoi John", who the hell do you think started those? third party's? NO, people working and supporting Bush..
And we become obcessed with non-issues (this whole qadd thing is a non-issue), then people get cynical about styupid things and then wallow in their cynicism while ignoring important things. |
Chris Matthews, democrat, had a number of spouses of 9/11 victims on his show last night who complained bitterly of Bush's ads.
Matthews then ran an ad by Kerry from last year where he too used 9/11 as a point in his argument about HIS leadership. Matthews then asked each of the spouses, in turn, whether they had the same feelings about Kerry's ad.
Well, I don't even have to tell you what they said, do I? We ALL know what the answer was and, more than that, we know WHY.
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