04-03-2004 23:13									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Exactly. 2/3rds of the states will never vote to take their own power away. Enough power has already been taken from the states.

The EC is inhrently anti-democratic, just like the provisions that State legislatures would elect state senators, not the state voters directly. That certainly was a state power that 2/3rd of the states agreed to remove from themselves.

	04-03-2004 23:16									#92
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quote: The EC is inhrently anti-democratic, just like the provisions that State legislatures would elect state senators, not the state voters directly.

Bah, an amendment I'd like to see abolished .

quote: That certainly was a state power that 2/3rd of the states agreed to remove from themselves.

Not really. I mean, the states would STILL send two Senators. They just took it away from the State legislature and put it in the hands of the voters of the state. The states didn't lose any power from it.

	04-03-2004 23:18									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: The EC is inhrently anti-democratic, just like the provisions that State legislatures would elect state senators, not the state voters directly. Bah, an amendment I'd like to see abolished .

You're kidding, right? Law student humor?


Please tell me you're kidding.




But you are right, no way on God's green earth that the EC ever gets abolished. Certainly not in my lifetime. It's a damn shame.

	04-03-2004 23:23									#94
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quote: You're kidding, right? Law student humor? Please tell me you're kidding.

NO, I'm not! For years, I've been against this amendment. Give the election of Senators back to the State Senates. It would encourage more paying attention to local politics, and make Senatorial candidates have to earn it by winning local election and convincing the other State Senators to send them up.

	04-03-2004 23:24									#95
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You are out of your bleeding mind.

	04-03-2004 23:25									#96
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So are you .

The Senate isn't the place for popular sentiments. The House is.

	04-03-2004 23:35									#97
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The Senate would end up completely lopsided; state senates would elect senators from the majority party. Naturally, this would greatly favor Republicans.

	04-03-2004 23:38									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Nah. Bush in a landslide. You heard it here first.

Oh hell no. I have been predicting a landslide for months. But, in this case Ben, in agreeing with me you are going to be on the money.

	04-03-2004 23:38									#99
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If that is the representation of the State legislature, then the majority party should be able to elect the Senator. The State senate would be a relection on the state as a whole.

Or, rather... I wouldn't mind having a popular vote on Senators, but the only people able to run would be those currently serving in State Senate.

	04-03-2004 23:46									#100
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Nader is gonna take this thing and make it 3 way. An entire nation needs this man to stand up to the real criminals out there. His showing in the polls is significant enough to send a message to democrats: Toughen up and stamp out corruption or you will not be elected.

	04-03-2004 23:50									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Or, rather... I wouldn't mind having a popular vote on Senators, but the only people able to run would be those currently serving in State Senate.

That's a bit more tolerable, thank you.

	05-03-2004 00:10									#102
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Anything to prevent what Corzine did in my home state.

	05-03-2004 00:27									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Anything to prevent what Corzine did in my home state.

Aside from spending an outrageous amount of money during the election, what did he do?

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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Yes, she has been promoted by her master, the people of Florida.

Actually, the people of Florida have no love for her. She can't run in a statewide election anymore. The Repug leaders had to strong arm her out of running for Bob Grahm's vacanting seat for fear she'd cost W the election in November. She cherry-picked one of the most Republican districts to run for Congress.

	05-03-2004 01:11									#105
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Given the original scenario, I could see rioting across the U.S if Congress goes either way. This is one of the most polarized elections in years. If Shrub got in like this, I could see people trying to physically stop the motorcade and tar and feather him. Wouldn't that be glorious?

	05-03-2004 01:16									#106
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quote: Originally posted by dainbramage20 Nader is gonna take this thing and make it 3 way. An entire nation needs this man to stand up to the real criminals out there. His showing in the polls is significant enough to send a message to democrats: Toughen up and stamp out corruption or you will not be elected.

I saw Nader live for the first time yesterday. He says these things that seemingly make sense... re: corporate reform, protectionism, social security and so on... but just watching him you get the sense that he's a mad scientist, and is thus utterly unelectable. I wonder if no-one has mentioned this to him before.

Its a shame "looks" matter so much, but electing a president is clearly a popularity contest, and peoples perception is only skin deep.

	05-03-2004 01:22									#107
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Given the original scenario, I could see rioting across the U.S if Congress goes either way. This is one of the most polarized elections in years. If Shrub got in like this, I could see people trying to physically stop the motorcade and tar and feather him. Wouldn't that be glorious?

Oh, why don't you get some sense. Che, you are the lunatic left wing fringe in this country. Why don't you wake, take stock, and see that all of these notions you get so worked up about don't mean doddlely squat to 90% of the American public. Riots, what nonsense.

	05-03-2004 01:25									#108
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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick Oh, why don't you get some sense. Che, you are the lunatic left wing fringe in this country. Why don't you wake, take stock, and see that all of these notions you get so worked up about don't mean doddlely squat to 90% of the American public. Riots, what nonsense.

Well... the outcome definitely does mean something to more than 10% of the American public... riots? maybe not. It makes people less likely to waste votes, I think... and you might see less 3rd party support this time around... regardless of their platform.

	05-03-2004 01:40									#109
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Given the original scenario, I could see rioting across the U.S if Congress goes either way. This is one of the most polarized elections in years. If Shrub got in like this, I could see people trying to physically stop the motorcade and tar and feather him. Wouldn't that be glorious?

You know for a straight guy, you make a good drama queen sometimes.


Stop exaggerating what "could" happen.

	05-03-2004 01:45									#110
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I would say that anyone that thinks glorious the notion of the President of the United States being assaulted in the streets is a commie rat bastard, but these facts are already in evidence.

Instead I will say hoorah to the first Secret Service agent who plugs any would be anarchists.

I am warning you Che, one more comment like that and I am reporting you to the Department of Homeland Security.

	05-03-2004 01:46									#111
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Nah -- just call SlowwHand and his band of bounty hunters to ship Chegitz off to Cuba.

	05-03-2004 01:59									#112
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quote: Aside from spending an outrageous amount of money during the election, what did he do?

Aside from? I mean this guy had NO political experience. Decided he wanted to buy a Senate seat and outspent his primary opponent and general election opponent by huge gobs of money. He outspent his general election opponent 17 to 1 (and only won 51%).

I'd like to prevent people like that from becoming Senators.

	05-03-2004 02:16									#113
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jt, you really don't understand how much Democrats utterly hate Bush, do you? If they felt robbed again, they could blow a gasket.

	05-03-2004 02:18									#114
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We're angry with Bush, no doubt. But don't expect any widespread rioting.

	05-03-2004 02:19									#115
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara jt, you really don't understand how much Democrats utterly hate Bush, do you? If they felt robbed again, they could blow a gasket.

That'd be amusing.

	05-03-2004 02:20									#116
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Yeah, I can see McAuliffe's head blow up .

	05-03-2004 02:23									#118
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun We're angry with Bush, no doubt. But don't expect any widespread rioting.

Yes, but you have no backbone. You'd stand around going, "No, that's just not right." Meanwhile, gun shots and tire fires and barricades are in the streets.

Seriously, I think you under-estimate how angry people are.

	05-03-2004 02:35									#119
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Commies are stupid -- throw rocks at them.

	05-03-2004 02:36									#120
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Better not, we know how to catch them and throw them back.