15-03-2004 10:06									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Any examples of such newspapers? Pick a Russian newspaper .

For example, like "Komersant" owned by Putin's number 1 enemy - Berezovsky?

	15-03-2004 10:10									#62
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Yes, he is just a beard .

	15-03-2004 10:13									#63
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Yeah, right, KGB controols everything here.

	15-03-2004 10:14									#64
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Of course... they never left. They have their underground bases in order to lull the West in a false security.

	15-03-2004 10:17									#65
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Sure, and Putin himself is just a cyborg created by KGB (see the picture on first page).


ps. Somebody call 9-1-1. Imran needs medic.

	15-03-2004 10:22									#66
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Well of course, he was created by the hard-line Communists in case something like the last 15 years happened.

quote: ps. Somebody call 9-1-1. Imran needs medic.

I'm not the one who has half-strokes when someone says something bad about Russia and falls for obvious trolls .

	15-03-2004 10:29									#67
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At worst it was a slight exaggeration. Not a troll.

	15-03-2004 10:36									#68
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I'm talking about my trolls .

	15-03-2004 10:38									#69
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Bah!

	15-03-2004 10:40									#70
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We're not always talking about you... stop Mr. Funning .

	15-03-2004 10:45									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well of course, he was created by the hard-line Communists in case something like the last 15 years happened.

Stay where you are, Imran. The doctors are coming already.

	15-03-2004 10:51									#72
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc At worst it was a slight exaggeration. Not a troll.

It seems you have no idea what slight exaggertion means.
Example:
a) USA is dictatorship. It is a slight exaggeration.
b) USA is democracy. It is a big exaggeration.

	15-03-2004 11:03									#73
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quote: Stay where you are, Imran. The doctors are coming already.

Ah, I see, in Russia when someone speaks out against the government he is declared insane and put away... in countries with free speech, we don't work that way... but you'd know nothing about that, would you? Poor dear.

	15-03-2004 11:05									#74
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tgdtsssss...


I think there is little doubt that Russia is going more authoritarian. My doubts are in the economical nature of the new regime. For me, it seems that the government is slowly encroaching on bussiness, not the other way around, as some would suggest. The upper bureaucracy has a very strong momentum going, still from soviet times. But the faces are new, and are sleek, and efficient. I wonder what would be the result of it all.

	15-03-2004 11:13									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Any examples of such newspapers?

Wow.

Serb, no one outside of Russia thinks that it is a democratic country. Wouldn't you think it's a sign of how efficient Putin's dictatorship is, that you believe he's a democratic leader?

	15-03-2004 11:16									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Stay where you are, Imran. The doctors are coming already. Ah, I see, in Russia when someone speaks out against the government he is declared insane and put away... in countries with free speech, we don't work that way... but you'd know nothing about that, would you? Poor dear.

Well, when I hear such conspiracy theories about KGB's underground bases and Putin beeing cyborg "created by the hard-line Communists", I think the man who says this needs a doctor.

P.S. I doubt in US, you have such number of people who speak out against the government and blame government for almost everything.

	15-03-2004 11:17									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Ah, I see, in Russia when someone speaks out against the government he is declared insane and put away... in countries with free speech, we don't work that way... but you'd know nothing about that, would you? Poor dear.

Insanely troll. Plus he's biting.

	15-03-2004 11:19									#78
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If Putin brings back socialism, I'll put a picture of him on my wall.

	15-03-2004 11:20									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Glaz'ev, of course.

Who he?

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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Wow. Serb, no one outside of Russia thinks that it is a democratic country. Wouldn't you think it's a sign of how efficient Putin's dictatorship is, that you believe he's a democratic leader?

I think it's a sign of how effective western brainwashing propaganda machine is.

P.S. And I'm still waiting for examples of newspapers owned by Putin.

	15-03-2004 11:26									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Serb I think it's a sign of how effective western brainwashing propaganda machine. P.S. And I'm still waiting for examples of newspapers owned by Putin.

Didn't he arrest the oligarchs? Didn't he beat those who were candidates against him?

Polls published in the West show that 50% of Russians think their country is not democratic.

And look at what he's doing to Chechnya.

	15-03-2004 11:31									#82
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Who he?

A former communist who want to kick some oligarch's asses.

	15-03-2004 11:37									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Didn't he arrest the oligarchs?

No. I don't know how in USA, but in Russia, the president do not authorized to arrest anyone. Police arrest susspect here, not president. Those so-called oligarchs are f*cking bastards who made billions, BILLIONS within a couple of years. They didn't make their fortune fair, by their own hands, but pillaged Soviet economy.

quote: Didn't he beat those who were candidates against him?

No.

quote: Polls published in the West show that 50% of Russians think their country is not democratic.

Link.
The same polls, I guess, will show that more 50% of Russians consider USA is not democratic, but evil, warmongering, imperialist state.

quote: And look at what he's doing to Chechnya.

And what do you think he is doing there?

	15-03-2004 11:44									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Serb No. I don't know how in USA, but in Russia, the president do not authorized to arrest anyone. Police arrest susspect here, not president. Those so-called oligarchs are f*cking bastards who made billions, BILLIONS within a couple of years. They didn't make their fortune fair, by their own hands, but pillaged Soviet economy.

Yeah, sure. The political power does not make alliances with the secret services in the Mafia. Putin's fight is not one of justice, it's one of an oligarch against other oligarchs.

quote: No.

Putin controls the Russian media. He won't tell you.

quote: Link. The same polls, I guess, will show that more 50% of Russians consider USA is not democratic, but evil, warmongering, imperialist state.

The poll was published in my local newspaper a few weeks ago in an article about the Russian campaign.

BTW, I never said Bush was much better than Putin. Open your eyes, dude. Everyone in the world knows that Putin has every media outlet by the neck and that they won't say anything against him. You wouldn't expect an ex-KGB leader to be terribly pro-democracy, wouldn't you?

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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Yeah, sure. The political power does not make alliances with the secret services in the Mafia. Putin's fight is not one of justice, it's one of an oligarch against other oligarchs.

Look, they are criminals who made their billions of $$$ stealing state property. They pursued in accordance with law. Any crime must be punished. I don't see any problems with that.

quote: Putin controls the Russian media. He won't tell you.

Then you tell me. Who told you that he beaten those who were candidates against him?

quote: BTW, I never said Bush was much better than Putin. Open your eyes, dude. Everyone in the world knows that Putin has every media outlet by the neck and that they won't say anything against him. You wouldn't expect an ex-KGB leader to be terribly pro-democracy, wouldn't you?

My eyes are open. Those eyes watch Russian TV everyday. And I perfectly know what our media tells us. Two national chanels (RTR and Channel-1) are completely pro-Putin and shows mostly pro-Putin BS.
But, God damn it, we have more than 2 tv channels. Ren-TV for example is absolutely anti-Putin and shows mostly anti-Putin BS.

	15-03-2004 12:33									#86
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Democracies can't be warmongering, imperialist states?

	15-03-2004 12:37									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Serb My eyes are open. Those eyes watch Russian TV everyday. And I perfectly know what our media tells us. Two national chanels (RTR and Channel-1) are completely pro-Putin and shows mostly pro-Putin BS. But, God damn it, we have more than 2 tv channels. Ren-TV for example is absolutely anti-Putin and shows mostly anti-Putin BS.

Yeah, OK.

Aren't the days of the owner of this channel counted?

	15-03-2004 13:16									#88
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Democracies can't be warmongering, imperialist states?

Your American democracy is for sure.
So, if they can, what's so cool in them? Why democracy should be a worldwide standard for a government type?

	15-03-2004 13:24									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Yeah, OK. Aren't the days of the owner of this channel counted?

I don't know who is the owner.
Well, if you guys want to believe in "Putin's dictatorship" and "Putin's suppression of all opposition", fine. Why should I care what you think? Your opinion will not change the fact that there is sh!tloads of opposition to Putin here. All candidats for presidency (perhaps the only exclusion is speaker of upper chamber of parliament) heavily criticized Putin during election compaign. Some of them went completely insane in their charges.

	15-03-2004 14:16									#90
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quote: Some 3.9 percent of voters checked the box marked ''against all.''

Constitutional amendment! Constitutional amendment! *cough* Ahem:

"We, the people of the United States of America, have the right to have ballots about local, state and federal issues with the option of "against all" available on them."

Oh, yeah! Simple and sweet, baby! And now to convince 38 state legislatures and super majorities in the Senate and House ...

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