20-03-2004 18:52									#61
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There's the "lump of income"/"lump of jobs" fallacy that's been around for a while, but this "lump of death" that Mobius alludes to is such a joke

	20-03-2004 19:29									#62
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Ben - From your post.

"A U.S. official said the document appears authentic."

'Nuff said. I still assert there is no link shown that I can believe.

	20-03-2004 19:30									#63
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS That's all we are folks, substitute bodybags and apologists for the very US foreign policy that has got huge sections of the world hating them enough to commit suicide if they can take some Americans (and us now) with them...

Yes, this is all America's fault. After all, terrorism didn't even exist until we invaded Iraq. Our foreign policy is the only reason the Middle East and North Africa is the source of such destruction.

	20-03-2004 19:35									#64
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Verto, and Europe is to blame everything else.

I'm telling you guys, terrorists are winning while we point fingers at each other.

	20-03-2004 21:17									#65
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The "coaltion of the willing governments" never had the support of it's people. Of course they it is going to fall apart, until it is "the Coalition of the United States and the Solomon Islands"

	20-03-2004 21:28									#66
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS All the other countries are waking up to the fact that they've just been roped in as human shields and walking targets for the US... After all, if a Pole dies in Iraq that means that a US soldier doesn't. If a bomb goes of in Madrid, that means that one is less likely to go off in the US. That's all we are folks, substitute bodybags and apologists for the very US foreign policy that has got huge sections of the world hating them enough to commit suicide if they can take some Americans (and us now) with them... Yep, George Bush would far rather a European die than an American - if he really cared he wouldn't have been stiffing the EU with an unfair trade war at the very same time we were all embarking on this madness... Some ally the US is!

Exactly.

And, I suppose that if Kerry would ask our allies to do the same thing as Bush, hold the line, etc., your position would be the same?

	20-03-2004 21:29									#67
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Che, I assume our "allies" in the coalition will be more willing to stay under a Kerry administration after Kerry has called them derogatory name after derogatory name, and has dismissed their contribution as "window dressing?"

	20-03-2004 21:36									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Verto Yes, this is all America's fault. After all, terrorism didn't even exist until we invaded Iraq. Our foreign policy is the only reason the Middle East and North Africa is the source of such destruction.

There were no fundamentalist terrorist strikes in the United States until we invaded Iraq in 1991.

	20-03-2004 21:42									#69
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quote: Originally posted by NeOmega There were no fundamentalist terrorist strikes in the United States until we invaded Iraq in 1991.

Invaded Iraq?

	20-03-2004 21:44									#70
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quote: Originally posted by NeOmega The "coaltion of the willing governments" never had the support of it's people. Of course they it is going to fall apart, until it is "the Coalition of the United States and the Solomon Islands"

And, I suppose, you advocate a unilateral pullout?

	20-03-2004 23:24									#71
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GOOD! ALL OF YOU PEOPLE HERE WANT THE IRAQI PEOPLE SCREWED. Great. Why don't we just leave now and just let the place fall into civil war? Some of you fools never cease to amaze me.

	20-03-2004 23:33									#72
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"GOOD! ALL OF YOU PEOPLE HERE WANT THE IRAQI PEOPLE SCREWED. Great. Why don't we just leave now and just let the place fall into civil war? Some of you fools never cease to amaze me."

Because they know then Iraq would really screw up and give them what they really want: some real ammunition to attack Bush with rather than all these false accusations.

	20-03-2004 23:45									#73
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Yup. And while they are at it, the crazed peacenik fanatics would demand that everybody surrenders to Al Qaeda.

	20-03-2004 23:48									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Yup. And while they are at it, the crazed peacenik fanatics would demand that everybody surrenders to Al Qaeda.

No, they just want to elect Kerry before they get serious in fighting terrorism. This is all about American politics.

	20-03-2004 23:50									#75
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"the crazed peacenik fanatics would demand that everybody surrenders to Al Qaeda."

It's already started on a certain corner of south-west Europe

	20-03-2004 23:55									#76
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Park, as bin Laden's prime objective is the recovery of Spain for Islam, Spanish surrender can take a dramatic form if they really want peace with al Qaeda.

	21-03-2004 00:02									#77
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Some nuts don't understand that Al Qaeda doesn't want peace. Al Qaeda wants everybody dead. Maybe the crazed nutcase peace activists out there will realize the reality once they get hit by terrorism.

Spain isn't surrendering to Al Qaeda... yeah certainly an idiot was elected, but Spain isn't going anywhere. And I doubt that this new corrupt government will last.

	21-03-2004 00:12									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Some nuts don't understand that Al Qaeda doesn't want peace. Al Qaeda wants everybody dead. Maybe the crazed nutcase peace activists out there will realize the reality once they get hit by terrorism. Spain isn't surrendering to Al Qaeda... yeah certainly an idiot was elected, but Spain isn't going anywhere. And I doubt that this new corrupt government will last.

One of the things I find interesting about the peaceniks is that they do not take al Qeada seriously, even after all the mayhem.

	21-03-2004 00:14									#79
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Wait a minute Ned...I thought your god, Bush, said that Al Qaeda was no longer a threat?

(Trapped! Again!)

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quote: Originally posted by Ned One of the things I find interesting about the peaceniks is that they do not take al Qeada seriously, even after all the mayhem.

They will never take terrorism seriously unless a terrorist killed somebody close to them. But since they are so braindead, they probably still wouldn't take terrorists seriously.

	21-03-2004 00:16									#81
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Or perhaps that was your other god Dick Cheney, or maybe even Rummy.
I forget

	21-03-2004 00:18									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Wait a minute Ned...I thought your god, Bush, said that Al Qaeda was no longer a threat? (Trapped! Again!)

Commie T, I'd share your laughter if Bush actually said this.

BTW, do you share the Euro's view that they drop out of the war on terror and let the US carry the burden by itself?

	21-03-2004 00:28									#83
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Where did the idea that OBL wants to recover Spain come from? Can someone verify this allegation?

	21-03-2004 00:39									#84
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Something to do with the Moors (or 'Moops' for Seinfeld fans ) being expelled centuries ago.

	21-03-2004 00:53									#85
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Dr. Strangelove, there is a quote from OBL put forth by Boris, I believe, which laid out al Qaeda's objectives. The first line was that he wanted to restore "Andalucia" to Islam.

	21-03-2004 00:53									#86
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Funny the moors were very liberal and very tolerant (even went as far as tolerating jews).

	21-03-2004 01:01									#87
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No doubt true. But if we do not defeat al Qaeda, eventually Spain will be in play.

	21-03-2004 01:46									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Ned No doubt true. But if we do not defeat al Qaeda, eventually Spain will be in play.

Not anymore than the US or France. Spain isn't the only target here, the entire western world is.

	21-03-2004 02:10									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi They have yet to be found. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Yes it is evidence of absence. Than judge in upstate NY cancel than DA search warrent when the DA want to tear down all builting in a 1000 square miles than dig down 200 feet looking for a knife supposely use in a murder. They dug the suspect backyard down to 200 feet, the bright police knew they have no evidence once they went pass ten feet. The judge said it you didnot find the murder weapon by now you will never find it.

	21-03-2004 02:30									#90
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Yep, the coalition is falling apart at the seams

First when the Polish started marching openly in the streets I knew it was over

But it wasn't until Gorbachev came into office with Glastnost that the evil empire started to crumble.