30-03-2004 08:13									#31
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Nope. However, Egypt is at war with Spain.

I haven't followed everything, but I suppose tha plan is to proceed and punish the Spanish on their lands

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Paddy is having some forum troubles so the updates to the mintes and pics will have to wait till he is am allowed back in.

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no war with Egypt at the moment...

discussions on whether to go for the rest of Spain while we are at them...

should be some interesting discussions on the threads.

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TurnChat / Senate Session 36 Part V


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paddy|wandering: hi
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theViking: back
Paddy: hi
Paddy: did you get the save
Paddy: theViking do you get diiner?
theViking: Yes,yes
theViking: You?
Paddy: cool
Paddy: yes, and a long shower...
Paddy: looking forward to a swim later
Paddy: I posted the minutes of the earlier turns on the senate s 38 thread
Paddy: lets look through the cities
theViking: ok
theViking: Seems good
Paddy: es
Paddy: 4end turn

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TurnChat / Senate Session 36 Part VI


Paddy: 12Spain requests an audience
Paddy: 12she wants an allianve against Russia
Paddy: she has 25 go;d and heaps technology
theViking: what can we get?
Paddy: shall we ask for Astronmy
Paddy: banking ; chiv; ppress; metalurgy
theViking: all or one of them?
Paddy: one
Paddy: her reply, 12and what is to stop you doing what you did to greece
Paddy: interesting
theViking: but we didn't
Paddy: ahh but we did
Paddy: earlier
theViking: dammed memmory
Paddy: indeed
Paddy: shall we throw in Gems
theViking: do we want war with Russia at this time?
Paddy: and ask for some gold
Paddy: I care not about russia
Paddy: love some more tech though
theViking: ok, what will she give us for gems
Paddy: do we still want the russia component?
theViking: try without first
Paddy: cool
Paddy: 12spain offers horses for our gems
theViking: and with the Russia deal?
theViking: the horses are comming home with BFC
Paddy: yes
Paddy: trying hard for a tech
Paddy: 12she is now whinging about our treatment of Persia
theViking:
Paddy: 12all tooo hard
Paddy: I think we should decline her deal
theViking: yes
Paddy: 4done
Paddy: 4Spain is at war here with egypt big time
theViking: good
theViking: maybe Egypt will go for a deal later on
Paddy: yes
Paddy: 4Horse the cat 6 fort
Paddy: 4Gloin 4 foprt
Paddy: 4all berzerkers 4 or RBase to fort
Paddy: Fog, Horror of Sidon update to Berzerker, fort
theViking: you want all berz in RB
Paddy: no, to stay 4 of RBase and fort
theViking: oh
Paddy: so we can load them when we are ready etc
theViking: ok
Paddy: 4FoG, Horror of Sidon update to Berzerker, fort
theViking: ok, I haven't got the gold to do that
Paddy: ok. will be a few saves before we go I tyhink
Paddy: 4all units in FoG fort
Paddy: 4The Edge 4 fort
Paddy: 4Loke fort
theViking: we have 14 Breserker already
Paddy: 4Bifrost new Berzerker name = Bain, moves 2-2-1
theViking: the Edge 6 fort?
Paddy: yrs
Paddy: 6
Paddy: 4sam 2-1-1
Paddy: 4PHC stack 7 fort
Paddy: 4bobs wk stack chop
Paddy: 4Thors sickle 6-9-9
Paddy: ok, so what are we doing about this war then
Paddy: we have 20 berzerkers
theViking: do we have any inforation about the defence in Jaen
Paddy: and 8 galleys available
Paddy: no
Paddy: no information
Paddy: we need 78 gold for jaen
Paddy: and 33 for BFC
theViking: Jaen first up?
Paddy: ok
Paddy: we will have exactly 78 gold next turn if all goes to plan
theViking: ok
Paddy: so do we just do the seaborne attack, or do we try to bring the cats in as well?
theViking: If we are going for one city at a time I will say save the cat for BFC
Paddy: ok
Paddy: well we may want to leave some troops for that group on the southern isle
theViking: But we should have 3-4 spear/pikemen to hold Jaen
Paddy: yes
Paddy: do we bring them in on a 2nd wave though
theViking: 8 galleys = 16 man (12 berz, 4 spear)?
theViking: that would leave 8 + for BFC
Paddy: ok
theViking: and with the first win for a berserker we will get our GA
Paddy: well we only have 3 pikes in FoG and no spears, so I will just move some archers out and bring a pike
in, ok.
Paddy: 4FoG, Family calling 9-8-8
Paddy: 4Loke 4-1-fort
Paddy: 4TWH The Watchers 2-3-3
theViking: Sending somebody back to TWH
Paddy: we now have 8 berzkers in Fog, 4 pikes, and across the river 10 more berzerkers... that will leave 5
units in FoG
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Paddy: Loke went to TWH
Paddy: hi
theViking: ok
WIA: Hello
theViking: hi
Paddy: welcome back to the southern hemisphere
WIA: Cheers
WIA: Haven't been having a great welcome so far
Paddy: do we want to send any pikes with the cats and berzerkers too
WIA: Stupid flatmate and friend
Paddy: that is no good...
Paddy: how is the jet lag?
WIA: Unsure.... am tired, but that could always be from the 35 hours of travel
Paddy: indeed
Paddy: 4SaG, Long Beards and Larry 4-4-1
Paddy: 4FoG Erik and Lang day 9-6-6
Paddy: ok that brings up a spears and a pike
WIA: SOme Pikes with a stack involving Catapults is ALWAYS a good idea, especially (I imagine) on Deity
theViking: ok
Paddy: yes
Paddy: so we will get two on their way now
Paddy: 4FoGOrmuzd the saver 2
Paddy: 4FoG Angus 2
Paddy: ok
Paddy: 12 time to hit the cities
theViking: ok, my data is probably out of sync
Paddy: ok
Paddy: I do not see anything
Paddy: do you want the save
theViking: yes please
Paddy: 4saving
Paddy: 12uploading
Paddy: 12almost there
Paddy: so slow
WIA: Dial-up or Poly?
Paddy: poly
Paddy: 12ok, it is on the ss 38 start thread
theViking: the download took 14 sec
Paddy: hahahaha
Paddy: yes
Paddy: 12time to search the cities again
theViking: ok
* WIA should really load this up
Paddy: that would be good
Paddy: we are close to a good war
theViking: seems good
theViking: should we wait for wia?
Paddy: yep
theViking: we will get another berserker in Fog next
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WIA: Go ahead... I need to sort this out
Paddy: and we have two already onboard the fleet
Paddy: ok
Paddy: 4end turn

	30-03-2004 20:45									#36
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TurnChat / Senate Session 36 Part VII


Paddy: 12Russia Furious, waNTS A SMALL GIFT... TM and 19 gold
Paddy: and we need all the gold for the inspection of Jaen
Paddy: 12shes says the gift is in honour of our friendship
theViking: And she is big
Paddy: yes
Paddy: the biggest
theViking: give and investigate next turn?
Paddy: ok
Paddy: 4Ok
Paddy: 4trade our WM for Russian WM and 12 gold
Paddy: did a extra deal with her and got some back
theViking: good
Paddy: buuger
Paddy: 12Egypt Furious, WANTS A SMALL GIFT... TM and 13 gold
theViking: ok, thanksgiving day
Paddy: right
Paddy: 4done deal with cleo
Paddy: 4trade our wm for egypt 7 gold
Paddy: scored an extra again
theViking: good
Paddy: 12Japan want to see us - 4sure
Paddy: 4trade world maps
Paddy: 12Aztecs want to see us - 4sure
Paddy: 4peace with aztecs
theViking: no way
Paddy: what why
theViking: we want more of their land
Paddy: I am so sorry
Paddy: yes, but right now
Paddy: we do not have the gold to rush any settlers,
theViking: ok no settlers for 16 turns
Paddy: Aztecs have peace with egypt
Paddy: and I would like to get alliance of some kind with egypt for the attack on spain
Paddy: eygpt could tech us some for iy
theViking: ok
Paddy: 4Palace expanded - new pinnacles
Paddy: 12Bigfjord starving
theViking:
theViking: only 3 food
Paddy: new berzerk in FoG name = ???
Paddy: 4new berzerk in FoG name = Thorin, fort
Paddy: 4Family Calling fort
Paddy: new Berzerk in Valhalla name = ???
theViking: Lion
Paddy: 4new Berzerk in Valhalla name = Lion, then 1-1-1
Paddy: 4Erik and Lang Fort
Paddy: 4Thors Sickle 6-6 fort
Paddy: 4slenda stack mine
Paddy: 4new spearman at Bigfjord name = Blues, fort
theViking: All that work to get iron, and then we cannot build pikemen
Paddy: 4in channel, wake Angus, and Ormuzd, then move 3
Paddy: indeed
Paddy: phone ringing brb
theViking: ok
Paddy: hi
Paddy: 12any other unit moves
Paddy: shall we start to load the fleet
theViking: yes
Paddy: 4FoG wake all
theViking: lets load it and move into position
Paddy: cool
Paddy: 8 galleys, 12 Berz and 4 pikes right
theViking: ok
Paddy: 4load 3 pikes and 1 spears to galleys
Paddy: 4load the rest of the berzerkers in FoG
Paddy: 4across channel, wake black beards and load them 7
Paddy: 12that fills the fleet
Paddy: 4channel, wake all galleys, move 4-4-2
Paddy: Max Express did not make who ditance
theViking: that will make one more turn before war
Paddy: yes
Paddy: 12ok anything else then
theViking: should we move the angus stak closer to BFC
Paddy: ok
theViking: just 3?
Paddy: ok
Paddy: 4wake stack opp FoG and move 3 then fort
Paddy: 4RB, move all cats 1 fort
Paddy: 12time to hit the cities
theViking: I could use the save after checking the cities
Paddy: ok
Paddy: what do we do about Bigfjord
theViking: I cannot see anything that can be done
Paddy: ok
Paddy: 4saving
Paddy: 12uploading
Paddy: 12on the thread now
theViking: loading the game
Paddy: cool.
theViking: ready
Paddy: 4end turn

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TurnChat / Senate Session 36 Part VIII



Paddy: 12Long Live Sir Peter Ustinov - 92 years... gone today
Paddy: 12The Babes want to talk to us
Paddy: 4trade world maps
Paddy: PoIaS queue barracks in 5 or Mplace in 25 ???
theViking: Mplace
Paddy: ok
Paddy: 4PoIaS queue Mplace
Paddy: 4Paddy 7-7 fort
Paddy: 4Lion 1-1-1
Paddy: 4rainbow stack roads
Paddy: workerbee stack ???
theViking: take the boat back home?
Paddy: ok
Paddy: 4tug 9 wait
Paddy: 4thors worker, and worker bee 4 load, tug 1-2
Paddy: 4frosty 1
Paddy: 4new berzerker in New Asgard name = Jack
Paddy: jack to fort or go to the poarty
theViking: f
Paddy: I am thinking the Spainards may try to land up in this area
Paddy: cool
Paddy: 4Jack fort
theViking: yes
Paddy: 44Jack fort
Paddy: 4galleys all join the stack
Paddy: 4secret service stack fort
Paddy: 4angus stack 3 fort
Paddy: 4thors sickle stack sit
Paddy: 12investigate Jaen for 78 gold???
theViking: yes
Paddy: 4investigate Jaen for 78 gold
Paddy: 12taking pics
Paddy: 12pic on the start thread
Paddy: 2 settlers
theViking: and will be 4 rifles
Paddy: 3 riflemen
Paddy: and a horse or something and an archer
theViking: one in prod?
Paddy: yeah, being copmpleted this turn
Paddy: the buggers
theViking: Conquistador 3.2.2
Paddy: well what do you think
Paddy: the arched thing is a conquistador???
theViking: how much bonus do they get for size?
theViking: the horse thing
Paddy: I do not know about their bonus
theViking: horse and dog
Paddy: oh
Paddy: and they have a pop growth this turn
Paddy: shall we go for a pic of BFC now, or wait on that
theViking: rifle has 6 defense berserker has 6 attack we have 12 they have 4
Paddy: yes, and Nimitz feels we get an attack bonus for coming in off the boats
theViking: do we have the money to investigate BFC
Paddy: I think we do , just checking .
Paddy: hahahaha, is 45 for BFC, we have 42...
Paddy: I will be back soon, just sell our mapss...
theViking: ok
Paddy: 4trade our wm to france fro wm and 14 gold
Paddy: ok we can afford to look now
theViking: ok
Paddy: hahahahaha
Paddy: hahaha
Paddy: taking a pic
Paddy: 2 rifles
WIA: May have to log off briefly sometime.
Paddy: ok
Paddy: WIA, you are not really tired, honest....
Paddy: 12loading pic of BFC on the start thread
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theViking: I think this should work..
Paddy: indeed, it should
theViking: do we have to declear war this turn?
theViking: or just before we move in
Paddy: declare..... but
Paddy: Spain is at war with Egypt and Russia
Paddy: shall we approach these two witches for techs
theViking: yes
Paddy: oh and Russia is at war with Egypt
theViking: oh well try Egypt then
Paddy: Russia is at war wioth persia
Paddy: and egypt is at war with korea
Paddy: messy
theViking: nice
Paddy: but persia and korea have the gold
Paddy: or had
theViking: think Persia have got it now
Paddy: ok
theViking: 20.000 +
Paddy: so we appraoch eygpyt and persia then ???
Paddy: 20 K
Paddy: wow
theViking: Egypt and Persia against Spain
Paddy: ok
Paddy: which would you like 1st
theViking: ? Egypt ?
Paddy: ok
Paddy: going in
Paddy: 12allaince against spain - will not do it
theViking:
Paddy: 12trade embargo against spain - will do it
theViking: that lasts for 20 turns
Paddy: 4trade embargo against spain and egypt pays 2 gpt - done
Paddy: hmmmm
Paddy: 12Persia not happy with us
Paddy: ok, shall we move on
Paddy: 12lets check the cities
theViking: ok
theViking: SaG tax -:[/b][/color] ent.
Paddy: Paddy Borg tax to ent??
Paddy: 4SaG tax to ent.
Paddy: 4Paddy Borg tax to ent
Paddy: 4Tromso tax to ent
Paddy: well our nation is growing
Paddy: Icebear???
theViking: ok, war after end turn?
theViking: 2-1 tax
Paddy: war, YES SIR
Paddy: 4Icebear wf 2-1 to tax
Paddy: I see nothing else
theViking: niether do I
Paddy: 4saving
theViking: One more turn?
Paddy: yes please
Paddy: do you want the save?
theViking: no, I will not get the same results as you
Paddy: ok
theViking: so I can as well wait
Paddy: 4end turn

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TurnChat / Senate Session 36 Part IX


Paddy: romso flipped
Paddy: 12Tromso flipped
Paddy: 4Lion fort
Paddy: 4Thors Hameer new Berzerker name = Balin, forts
Paddy: 4TuG Sits
Paddy: 4Frosty 1-2 fort
Paddy: 12Here we go
Paddy: 4Trodenskjold 3-3 wait, unload Black Beards & Sam for attack on Jaen
Paddy: oh
Paddy: should we declare
Paddy: or just attcck
Paddy: forgot that bit
Paddy: Have the BLOODLUST UP
theViking: our reputation is not good anyhow
Paddy: 4JUST DO IT!!!
theViking: dont unload wake
Paddy: yeah wake
theViking: and attack
Paddy: Black beard dies taking one HP on rifles
Paddy: 4wake Sam, attack
Paddy: 12Sam dies, takes 2 hp from Rifle
Paddy: 4Ormen lange 3-3 wait
Paddy: 4wake transported attack
Paddy: 12Our Civilization has entered a Golden Age
Paddy: 12BBJon survives less 2 HP
Paddy: 12The other Dies
Paddy: 4Old Number Seven 3-3 wait, wake transported, attak Jaen
Paddy: 12Guttorm kills rifleman with no loss of hp
Paddy: 12Thorin losses 3 hp, but kills riflemen
Paddy: 4Drinking Vessel 3-3 wait
Paddy: 4Awaken transported, attack Jaen
Paddy: 12Paddy Jr losses 3 hp, but kills Rifle
Paddy: 12Dain losses 3hp and kills Conquisator
Paddy: 4Madrid Xpress 3-3 wait, wake transported and attack Jaen
Paddy: 12Cruzeman losses 3 hp, and kills archer, and captures Jaen
theViking: good
Paddy: 127 Resisters
Paddy: wow
theViking: any elite berserkers?
Paddy: 4Tommy Gunn moves 6 and captures spanish worker
Paddy: no elite berzerkers yet
Paddy: we still have 3 galleys... shall we bring them in to Jaen?
theViking: yes we need to tame those 7
Paddy: yes
Paddy: 4TBFree, The Edge and Thors Sickle 3-3-3, wake transported
Paddy: 4Ormen Lange galley stack 3
Paddy: 4Jaen, wake transported
Paddy: there is a worker at Jaen 3... should we unleash Horror of Sidon Berzerker on them?
Paddy:
theViking: yes why not
Paddy: 4unleash Horror of Sidon Berzerker 3
Paddy: ok we have 23 units ion Jaen, 4 workers, 8 galleys... shall we fort all for now?
theViking: think so
Paddy: 4Jaen, fort all units
Paddy: 4Gloin Battle stack 3
Paddy: moving the next group in
Paddy: 4Gloin Battle stack 2
Paddy: not 3
theViking: ok
Paddy: new worker Jaen 3 name = Jaen 3.... then sits
Paddy: 4new worker Jaen 3 name = Jaen 3.... then sits
Paddy: 4new worker Jaen 9 name = Jaen 9.... then sits
Paddy: 4Al gore worker stack 4
Paddy: wow
Paddy: that was goo for my heart
Paddy: 12any thing in the cities then
theViking: who did Tromso go to
Paddy: persia
theViking:
Paddy: yes
Paddy: Farsund ???
theViking: temple?
Paddy: 45 turns
Paddy: wf 3 to tax ?
theViking: yes
Paddy: 4Farsund wf 3 to tax
Paddy: 4Farsund queue to temple
theViking: IceBear ent - tax?
Paddy: it grows next turn...?
Paddy: would that not push it over the edge???
theViking: sorry meant tax to ent
Paddy: ok
Paddy: 4IceBear tax to ent
theViking: Jaen - rename?
Paddy: indeed
Paddy: Paradise Hotel???
Paddy: or Hot House
theViking: Hot House ok
Paddy: I so hate both those shows
theViking: never watched them
Paddy: 4Jaen name to Hot House
Paddy: I see the adverts
theViking: build temple in Hot House?
Paddy: 4HHouse queue to Temple
theViking: should we turn up sci rate?
Paddy: hmm,m
Paddy: yes
theViking: or should we ask the Senate
Paddy: yes
Paddy: Nimitz would let me know
theViking: I think I have to end now
Paddy: Will you start a thread on that ?
theViking: maybe tomorrow morning.
Paddy: cool
Paddy: well I see nothing else
Paddy: 4saving
Paddy: theViking, thank you for both sessions
Paddy: any idea on times you are available next ???
theViking: See you next time.
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