05-04-2004 03:06									#31
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But according to Fez's article it did happend that way.

	05-04-2004 03:08									#32
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Fez's "article" is from the American Forces Press Service. Hardly an unbaised source.

	05-04-2004 03:09									#33
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I see. Well, it they did somehting wrong that broke the law they should be jugded, regardless of their nationality. But I'll wait more time to see what exactly happened.

	05-04-2004 03:10									#34
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Azazel, are you implying Spain is the same as Israel?

	05-04-2004 03:12									#35
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a) You mean "didn't happen that way", right?
b) He didn't provide a link.
c) Even that article doesn't say that the crowd was armed, but that the gunmen were hiding inside the crowd. If that would mean that it's ok to open fire on the crowd because of that, casualties in some other conflict not too far away would be in the tens of the thousands.

	05-04-2004 03:13									#36
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In some sense, we're...... Although I'm going to be bashed by other spaniards for saying so, I've always wondered why can't be more friends if we both have been suferring terrorism since many years ago.

	05-04-2004 03:16									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel a) You mean "didn't happen that way", right? b) He didn't provide a link. c) Even that article doesn't say that the crowd was armed, but that the gunmen were hiding inside the crowd. If that would mean that it's ok to open fire on the crowd because of that, casualties in some other conflict not too far away would be in the tens of the thousands.

Az, I don't understand it. I've been always a Israel supporter...

	05-04-2004 03:18									#38
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To my knowledge Spain is not currently colonizing any territory.

	05-04-2004 03:20									#39
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quote: Azazel, are you implying Spain is the same as Israel?

Oh, no, hardly so, my dear boy. If we'd be talking about Israel, you'd see not only UN resolutions, Kofi Annan's talking head on TV, and/or an american press peon, but probably major international pressure, some economic pressure, etc. It's obviously quite clear that I am not saying that Spain is the same as Israel.

	05-04-2004 03:27									#40
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I guess French newspaper Le Monde was wrong when their 9-11 headline ran "We're all Americans now". It should have read "We are all Israelis now".

	05-04-2004 03:30									#41
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quote: Az, I don't understand it. I've been always a Israel supporter...

It's not to you that I am making the point to. I know you realize the situation. I am just pointing it out.


Tripledoc:

quote: To my knowledge Spain is not currently colonizing any territory.

Really? how about the colonies of Ceuta and Melilla? They even have an "Apartheid" wall. Haven't heard about that alot, lately, though.

	05-04-2004 03:35									#42
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According to this site Ceuta and Melilla are autonomous entities.

http://www.sispain.org/english/poli...es/process.html

	05-04-2004 03:40									#43
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So if the Israeli settlements would declare themselves independent, they would be legitimate?

	05-04-2004 03:50									#44
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I have no idea. Anyway, I wonder why the Spanish Governmnet did not see this one coming. They are knee deep in it now. That is for sure.

	05-04-2004 03:55									#45
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I wonder how the fact that more terror attacks in Madrid were planned, despite the new PM's pledge to get out of Iraq, would affect the public opinion.

	05-04-2004 04:57									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Lots of unarmed people were killed. The Spaniards ordered to open on unarmed demonstrators. If some other country would've done the same thing, You'd have codemnation from each and every country, outcry, fury, massive flag burning in the capitals of Europe, proposals to place an embargo on Spain, etc.. for some reason, nothing happens.

We had to shoot them. They had AK-47s. I don't know if you think having AK-47s is being unarmed, but the Spanish troops opened up after being fired upon. Azazel, you idiot... how can you fly an Israeli flag when you accuse Spanish troops of defending themselves, when Israeli soldiers do the same thing? It is self-defense. If you had a G-36 in one hand and you saw a guy firing an AK-47 at you.. what would you do? Sit there to take a bullet? No.. I would fire my G-36 at every enemy that has an AK-47. You can't even prove your B.S claims anyways. The Spanish troops are marked with a high level of professionalism. If you don't look at the facts here they are, the Spanish troops in Iraq have served in several different missions before including in the Balkans. Our troops know how to deal with the situation when it arises. Your claims are baseless and arrogant.

	05-04-2004 04:59									#47
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quote: Originally posted by joncha Fez's "article" is from the American Forces Press Service. Hardly an unbaised source.

That source is far more credible then any of the crap you managed to spew.

	05-04-2004 05:00									#48
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quote: Really? how about the colonies of Ceuta and Melilla?

Wow! very original.
Go and learn some history.

quote: They even have an "Apartheid" wall. Haven't heard about that alot, lately, though.

What are you spaeaking about?

	05-04-2004 05:05									#49
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quote: Wow! very original. Go and learn some history.

Great rebuttal.

quote: What are you spaeaking about?

There is a high security fence/wall around Ceuta and Melilla.

	05-04-2004 05:13									#50
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quote: Great rebuttal.

Sorry, i am a bit tired. Better do it yourself if you want. Use google it is easy and FREE!

quote: There is a high security fence/wall around Ceuta and Melilla.

Yes, it is called border. Here in Spain and Europe we have a little problem with ilegal inmigration.

	05-04-2004 05:20									#51
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quote: Yes, it is called border. Here in Spain and Europe we have a little problem with ilegal inmigration.

A border with which the other side, from which you occupied the territories, and built colonies on, doesn't agree. The fact that the colonies are there for a long time, doesn't matter. Here we have colonies that are more than a generation old, too.

	05-04-2004 06:01									#52
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Hey Azazel, that's very convenient. You skipped my response to your unsubstantiated B.S.

	05-04-2004 06:09									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo We had to shoot them.

Are you a spaniard again?

	05-04-2004 06:40									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Oh, no, hardly so, my dear boy. If we'd be talking about Israel, you'd see not only UN resolutions, Kofi Annan's talking head on TV, and/or an american press peon, but probably major international pressure, some economic pressure , etc. It's obviously quite clear that I am not saying that Spain is the same as Israel.

Quite an imagination you've got there.

	05-04-2004 06:55									#55
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There is no comparison with the BS Israel pulls!

You're talking out of your apologist arse as usual Az - what's up, now that Siro doesn't post as often you think you have to fill his shoes...?

Spain would have to be occupying about 70% of Morocco, with settlements riddling the entire country like a dose of the clap and its 'wall' wouldn't actually be on the actual border but tens of miles into Moroccan territory after massive destruction of property...

And that is just scratching the surface!

Your country gets off scott free with murder and 'lebensraum' on a daily basis under the aegis of the US - your country is a nasty evil bully of a nation that lashes out under the slightest excuse!

	05-04-2004 09:34									#56
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First time I see Azazel randomly trolling, and the scary part is that he made Fez look reasonable!

The Spanish, American and Salvadorean troops came under fire and fired back-2 of them were killed and twentysomething injured.

	05-04-2004 10:08									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Really? how about the colonies of Ceuta and Melilla? They even have an "Apartheid" wall. Haven't heard about that alot, lately, though.

I don't understand this. Are you justifying one wrong with another?

	05-04-2004 10:40									#58
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Do you guys think that the problems would stop if they guns, and explosives, were stricly cut off from the country?

	05-04-2004 13:43									#59
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quote: To my knowledge Spain is not currently colonizing any territory.

Since when colonization is the only pretext for violence? (ignoring for second the issue of Ceuta&Melilla)

You are brutally occupying an independent country, are allied with the American war criminals, deny the populace their freedom of speech and now fire into crowds of civilians. You WILL get attacked, more and more and more.

Islamic terrorism doesnt strike because of reasons that seem logical to you. The terrorists do not seek the life that you seek and they dont have the goals that you have.
You are infidels. Infidels who occupy the land that was once part of the Dar al-Islam, and now attack a Muslim nation. That is all that matters.

	05-04-2004 14:20									#60
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quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear Do you guys think that the problems would stop if they guns, and explosives, were stricly cut off from the country?

Okay, so how do you suggest sealing off every mile of the border?

Eli:

"You are brutally occupying an independent country, are allied with the American war criminals, deny the populace their freedom of speech and now fire into crowds of civilians. You WILL get attacked, more and more and more."

American war criminals? You are lying hypocrite. Brutally occupying an independent country? Since when was Iraq ever independent under Saddam Hussein? Were the Iraqi people ever independent in making decisions for themselves? Freedom of speech? What kind of freedom of speech are you talking about you nescient little ****? The freedom to fire an AK-47 at soldiers? What kind of freedom of speech is that? You are nothing but pathetic. I mean go pick up a different line of trolling because you suck at this.

(Honestly, are you actually being serious about that crap you typed, eli?)