01-05-2004 20:39									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Its not like I'm alone in not having them worked out. The only thing they do is seperate those who work them out from those who don't, providing easy kills for the former group without any need for strategy.

That is so Sunday gamer! If you feel they act to separate good players from bad ones then for god's sake take the 5 whole minutes it will take to work them out.

Or we could just simplify the game to pander to unskilled players and level the playing field. Seriously .

Gladiator3 will become 'console' gladiator.

	01-05-2004 20:44									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Its not like I'm alone in not having them worked out. The only thing they do is seperate those who work them out from those who don't, providing easy kills for the former group without any need for strategy.

I'm sorry, but surely figuring out the rules of the game does count as strategy... (Albeit minimal strategy)

And here's a prettier way to do what I just did above:

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	01-05-2004 20:52									#93
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Quite. And whilst the stats themselves might seem like they don't add much to the game, they do. They change the effective power bonus from a flat 0 to anything from -20 (for 2 defensive players) to +20 (for 2 attacking players) with a wide range of values in between. Thus they increase strategy through the need to tailor one's orders to the effective power bonus for the game. They add variety, and working out how they work takes no time. SC said the game must evolve, and I agree, but removing the stats would be a clear devolution.

	01-05-2004 21:10									#94
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Well I'm out then.
Its too much like work and not enough like a game for my tastes.

	02-05-2004 05:37									#95
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Sadly, my parents have been very discouraging of my internet use lately (logging when I'm on, etc. ) and so it looks as if I won't be able to compete in this gladiator However I have done the spreadsheet template for J Bytheway.

It's pretty straightforward, in the columns W and A (B and C) put the gladiator's weapon and armour rating; in the columns At, D and P (D, E and F) put their attack, defense and power orders. Then the next three columns, marked Attack, Defense and Power (G, H and I) it will work out each of those, including weapons. The column marked damage (K) will give 0 if they have not hit, and a number, the damage hit, if they do hit. L works out the HP left after each round. Column M is marked Tied Hits, and when attack and defense are equal, it will go in here, and will be half strength. It is part of damage, but needs two columns, and is already included in the formula for the HP left column. Win and Draw (N and O) will give you the points scored, 3 for win, 1 for a draw. Points (P) is the amount of attack, defense and power points used in that hit, and Total Points (Q) adds the total of these, so you can quickly check that everyone has used 100. The table next to it updates itself with the scores for that round.

It looks complicated, but once you see it, it's pretty simple. Put in their orders, and the weapon and armour rating, and it'll do the rest. Since I won't be competing, if you need any help, just ask.

Actually, 'Poly won't let me post the spreadsheet I can easily email it, given an address to send it too

	02-05-2004 14:39									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Actually, 'Poly won't let me post the spreadsheet I can easily email it, given an address to send it too

You could always zip it and post it - I can't believe it's too big to post...

Anyway, I've PMed you my email.

	03-05-2004 01:43									#97
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Have emailed it. Zipping would have been an idea, but I didn't think of that

	03-05-2004 05:53									#98
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Still here, waiting for the GM to ask for orders.

	03-05-2004 07:43									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Well I'm out then. Its too much like work and not enough like a game for my tastes.

I don't see how this adds to work. Did you read the example I posted?
The most work comes in analyzing previous orders given by your opponent, which would occur in any version of Gladiator.

-Theben

	03-05-2004 07:44									#100
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quote: EX: Player 1 selects a weapon rating of 12 and an armor of 8, for 20 total. Player B selects a weapon 9 and armor 11. They then fight each other. Player A selects 3 sets of orders: 12-08-10= 30 05-20-00= 25 20-05-20= 45, for a total of 100. Player B has selected: 05-15-10= 30 20-00-20= 40 05-20-05= 30, for 100. No one line can equal more than 50. These are in turn modified by their weapons and armor, and so look like this when complete: code: Player A Player B att def pow att def pow 18 12 22 9.5 20.5 19 11 24 12 24.5 05.5 29 26 09 32 9.5 25.5 14

	03-05-2004 13:36									#101
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OK, I'll post the lineup later today, but we still need those last two W/A stats...

	03-05-2004 15:48									#102
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quote: EX: Player 1 selects a weapon rating of 12 and an armor of 8, for 20 total. Player B selects a weapon 9 and armor 11. They then fight each other. Player A selects 3 sets of orders: 12-08-10= 30 05-20-00= 25 20-05-20= 45, for a total of 100. Player B has selected: 05-15-10= 30 20-00-20= 40 05-20-05= 30, for 100. No one line can equal more than 50. These are in turn modified by their weapons and armor, and so look like this when complete: code: Player A Player B att def pow att def pow 18 12 22 9.5 20.5 19 11 24 12 24.5 05.5 29 26 09 32 9.5 25.5 14

He's doing an accountancy course IIRC so it should be feasible.

Please Skanks take a look for 5 minutes and see if you get it............it will be a better tournament if you play.

	03-05-2004 18:19									#103
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Damn, the Doc did not post his stats yet. What is he waiting on...me? I thought that I was waiting on him?

	03-05-2004 18:28									#104
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I'm not waiting on you, I just haven't decided yet.

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Well, both of you think faster! .

	03-05-2004 18:46									#106
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I am waiting on you, so hurry up will ya!

	03-05-2004 18:50									#107
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OK, new thread with lineup announced here:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=114138

This thread can now be closed...

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