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I believe the result is the same as last time.

3-1-1 seats for One Israel, harmony, Imperial Israel.

Pinky is the expert on the constitution, but I believe that is what happens.

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Well, actually Emu came up with the counting system, to bad he doesn't seem to be around anymmore. I do know it involves rounding.

Here's the copy from the Basic Law.

"Ok, I've read the Knesset's Laws (thank you for the links, panag), and the system is good. The total amount of votes is divided between the number of seats. Let's say that there are 20 votes and 5 seats, so we have 4 votes per seat.

And let's say that we have three parties:

A-> 8 votes
B-> 7 votes
C-> 5 votes

First of all, only entire seats are given to the parties: A will get 2 seat, B and C one seat. After that, the excess seat is given to B, because B got more votes than C. If there will be more than one free seat, the first will go for B, the next for C, etc. and so on."

With the votes so far
8-2-1 (One, Imperial, Harmony), the total is 11.

8/11 = 72%
2/11 = .18
1/11 = .09

With five seats in play, One Israel's 72% would get it 3 seats. Other parties would need 20% to outright capture a seat, so now the question is where do the excess seats go? Does one Israel, by virtue of being top, get one excess seat, with Imperial Israel picking up the other, and Harmony in the cold. Or do the excess go to Harmony and Imperial?

This is actually quite academic, as the polls are not yet closed. I know for sure Stefan, who is counting votes, will vote, raising Harmony up to 2. There may be other votes, and perhaps a secret one.

Assume I just add Harmony's extra we get,


8/12 = 67% (One Israel)
2/12 = 17% (Imperial)
2/12= 17% (Harmony)
(Yes, I know it does not add up to 100%, I rounded).
Again, One Israel picks up 3, and now questions about the extra two seats, since no one won them outright.
Personally, I would give them to Imperial and Harmony, and get the 3-1-1 breakdown, but I'm not yet sure if technically that is what it should be. But I have no problem or objection with the 3-1-1, unless someone thinks we should interpret the laws in another way.

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How is the Imperial Party going to take their seat? Stalin is currently performing duties as commander of the Northern Front, and the other member hasn't shown any ability to play the game...

I suppose Imperial could renounce their claim to a seat in government for an assurance that Stalin retains his command position in the army. Then it would be 4 One Israel seats and 1 Harmony seat. That is assuming Stefan votes. If he doesn't, Israel would have a 1 party government

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I think we need to either ignore or amend the provision of the Basic Laws that says members of the knesset cannot hold military posts. It's silly, and unduly restricting.

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We need constitutional reform! It is now time to sweep with the radical extremist parties of Israel!

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Well if we don't have enough interested people to play all the parts, then sure, we could change the constitution. Combine Prime Minister w/Chief of Staff, combine Immigration/Defense and call it Labor Minister or of course, allow a person to hold more than one post.

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We have already somewhat done that by merging Immigration with Defense.
I don't think we need to merge anything else just yet. It's just that I say we need to say people in the knesset can still serve in the army. Otherwise Stalin would have to take a cabinet job, or else just sit in the knesset without a responsibility and do nothing.

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I agree with Knesset members should be able to be in the military.

That would solve the problem, if we have a shortage of interested participants in the future, we can then again discusss combining some more positions.

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I agree with Knesset members should be able to be in the military.

That would solve the problem, if we have a shortage of interested participants in the future, we can then again discusss combining some more positions.


hi ,

or jobs could be given to those who ar willing to serve , ....

have a nice day

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I was talking about constitutional reform to exclude the radical leftist parties from government...

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EDIT: nevermind.



So are we going to have a vote to allow a general to have a position in the knesset or just wave our collective hands and change the constitution?

* H Tower waves his hand

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I say wave our hands. I'll start a new thread about it. The Basic Laws says any amendment needs to be voted upon.

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*bangs shoe on desk*

Evict the illegal parties from government!

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I say wave our hands. I'll start a new thread about it. The Basic Laws says any amendment needs to be voted upon.


hi ,


well why not change the basic law then also , ...

have a nice day

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unless I've misread the election thread, voting is over. One Israel garnered 8 votes, Harmony 1 vote, and Imperial 2 votes.

So shouldn't One Israel get 4 seats and Imperial 1 seat?

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The President is also the leader of the Harmony party and required to tabulate the votes (public and private messaged), while he didn't post in the thread, I assume we count his vote (which I hope is for Harmony), giving us two votes (same as Imperial Israel).

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according to the rules of secret voting, Stefan must have posted in the election thread saying he had voted. He has not done this.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess he has not sent a private message to any party telling who he would vote for. But any possible PM is pointless because he didn't post.

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The President is also the leader of the Harmony party and required to tabulate the votes (public and private messaged), while he didn't post in the thread, I assume we count his vote (which I hope is for Harmony), giving us two votes (same as Imperial Israel).


hi ,

yes but it would be unfair , .... what about the other people who are members and have not voted , .... there was plenty of time to vote , ....

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hi ,

yes but it would be unfair , .... what about the other people who are members and have not voted , .... there was plenty of time to vote , ....

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I agree.

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Unfortunately, I must agree, since Stefan did not vote. I also did not receive any PM's for private votes.

This means the breakdown is

8/11 = 72%
2/11 = 18%
1/11 = 9%

One Israel obviously get's three seats.
Imperial Israel, with 18%, is only 2% away from 20%, so I think they would get one seat.
As for the last seat, One Israel is 8% away from 80% for another seat(which would give four seats), while Harmony is 11% away. Therefore, I think One Israel, based on the election math, would pick up the fourth seat for a 4-1-0 breakdown.

If anyone disputes my math, please let me know, I am not at all adamant about getting that 4th seat for One Israel, since three is enough to run any government we so desire.

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I think Pinkygens maths is good (in this situation )

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It appears the Warmongers will stop at nothing to keep the Peaceniks quiet.

While I cannot dispute any of your logic, in the interests of keeping the game interesting for all involved, I would have liked to see the contrary opinion (that Stephan's vote would have been allowed). However, I respect the decision not to count his absentee ballot.

Despite this, I will continue to voice an opinion in favour of Peace without Party representation in the Government , and hope that enough of our soldiers (children) remain alive when the war ends for our country (whatever that country looks like) to prosper for many years to come. Perhaps at that time the Masters of War (see nOne Israel and wImperial Israel) will have realized the error of their ways and can face the Creator without fear of redemption when their time should come.

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I dont get those hippies..

its true that I would be interesting one seat for the harmony.. better luck next time

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Unfortunately, I must agree, since Stefan did not vote. I also did not receive any PM's for private votes.

This means the breakdown is

8/11 = 72%
2/11 = 18%
1/11 = 9%

One Israel obviously get's three seats.
Imperial Israel, with 18%, is only 2% away from 20%, so I think they would get one seat.
As for the last seat, One Israel is 8% away from 80% for another seat(which would give four seats), while Harmony is 11% away. Therefore, I think One Israel, based on the election math, would pick up the fourth seat for a 4-1-0 breakdown.

If anyone disputes my math, please let me know, I am not at all adamant about getting that 4th seat for One Israel, since three is enough to run any government we so desire.


I dont know what to do about this. Stefan was just around a few weeks ago.

I thought there was something somewhere that said you had to have at least two votes? Or is that rumor?

Give me a couple of days to catch up and get over jet lag.

I say for now we give a seat to harmony, b ut in the future we should probably do something where you need at least two or three votes to have a party. We can discuss and poll it.

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I dont know what to do about this. Stefan was just around a few weeks ago.


Actually if you scroll up the page about 10 posts you will see that he was around 3 days ago and posted his detailed analysis of this topic in his post.

It seems our President has forgotten the minor detail of VOTING in the election, but can anyone fault him for forgetting this amongst his many duties as President?

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Hmmm

Well I would exactly call that a detailed analysis

Sorry I have been overseas (just got back) and did not see it.

Since you are his party, please get ahold of him and let him know its election time.

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I have no desire to deny Harmony a seat, so if the fellow citizens believe they "deserve" one, so be it.

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However, I respect the decision not to count his absentee ballot.

there was no absentee ballot, he was simply absent.

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I have no desire to deny Harmony a seat, so if the fellow citizens believe they "deserve" one, so be it.


If One Israel doesn't want to/can't fill the seat, they could graciously give Harmony the seat as a gesture of dialogue

 
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