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SnowFire is offline SnowFire
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I'd be more in favor of PMed clues if people actually, you know, posted them in-character with some story, rather than just doing a mechanical quote of the PM.

Also, a far simpler method than naming 3 people exists. Just vary the number of clues you hand out. Some rounds, send out one clue; some, three; maybe even four if it's appropriate.

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But then there is no motive to submit received clues.

"Hey, I got a clue! But last time I posted it, people started voting for me. I think I'll just keep it to myself."

The naming people who got clues not only encourages the posting of said clues, but prevents (or should prevent) the associated risk of docpiling.

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Docpiling will conitnue whilst there is areward for lasting the longest....

most people wait till others have voted then vote the same jsut to try and stay "under the radar"

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I'd be more in favor of PMed clues if people actually, you know, posted them in-character with some story, rather than just doing a mechanical quote of the PM.


yep, but the problem is still there: People wont post them...

But how about if there's a penality to those who recieve clues, but don't post them, like giving them -1 for each time it happens?

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all things are possible...

this is a great discussion , hope to get some agreement before next game ...

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I'm in favor of naming 3 people for clues, we certainly can try it and see. Also putting negative scorers on the 'wait list'. I wouldn't ban them.

I wouldn't give points for surviving a round, since the person doesn't have a lot of control over who the mafia axes, or docpiles. Likewise I wouldn't give a point for voting, since you should anyway. But there can be good reasons for not voting in one round. Most points should be awarded from the GM, IMHO, for the following:


  • -1 for each consecutive round of not voting. An additional penalty (-1 to -3) if the GM thinks you've been absent for a good portion of the game.
  • +5 to mafia for surviving halfway through.
  • +10 more if they win, for a total of +15.
  • Bonus award for exceptional In Character play (+1 to +5, determined by GM).
  • Bonus award for actively attempting to figure out clues (as above).
  • +5 points for deducing clues correctly and +5 more if one can name mafia with the clue.


The only penalty is being put on the 'wait list' (if an overall negative score), but I think that the top two scorers should get:

auto-induction next game
select the 'theme style' of the next game (pirates, spaceship, etc.)
to determine if they want to be mafia or not

The last idea would obviously start a docpile on the top scorers, so the GM would have to keep positive scores secret, informing only thru PM, and announce only at the end of the following game.

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Its a good job I don't have a life or anything....

But hey! We have a "guest GM" for the next game, Duke

Let's try ALL the new ideas on his shift

-Jam

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We're posting on a weekend. Obviously none of us have lives.

(and some of us have to do work-related crap- @ no extra charge of course )

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Theban: That's way to complicated. The overall idea is to reward clue searching.
But Docpiling also is part and parcel of the fun of the game.

I thought Ras's idea was a way of identifying 1-2 winners if the villlage won and there was more than three survivors. That is reward those who tried to solve the clues if they survived as opposed to those who merely survived. So surviving by staying below the radar was not enough.

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There could well be games where there is no distinguishing players , well so be it.

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my whole attempt at this is to ty and get people looking for th elcues and using them... rewarding those that do....

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Fair enough if you want to play for points, but I'll be playing for the love of the game. It's the taking part that counts!

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true, it is fun , but anything that may add a little more interest to the game cant hurt...

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Unless it detracts from the interest of the GM, who has to do lots of work already. I hope the clues idea gets off the ground this time.

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the actual scoring system i suggested i prepared to maintain if the gM too busy ..

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The only rule I know is that ljcvetko is always the third mafia. He should be voted out as soon as possible.

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yes his "false" leads i nrecent game have been very misleading ...

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I've done the score sheet up to mafia 18, but I can't post it yet cause html is not my greatest skill and I can't reduce my file bellow 20k characters yet. I'll have to use Jamski's table but it takes time. Let me just tell you all that Kassiopeia leads with 13 points out of 14 games while Guynemer is good second with 11 points and alva holds the third place with 10 points.

I'll post the entire table later.

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OK, it's too much hassle to use Jamski's table, so I'll post without formatting.

First the number of games played.

ADG and Skanky Burns played all games

ADG 17
Skanky Burns 17
rah 16
alva 14
Guynemer 14
Kassiopeia 14
Spaced Cowboy 14
DrSpike/Doc 13
Jon Miller 13
Zopperoni 12
GhengisFarb 11
Jamski 11
MattH 11
Pave 11
Spiffor 10
Tuberski/Deathtongue 10
Vlad Antlerkov 10
Jonny 9
vovansim/vovan 9
Comrade Tassadar 8
Drogue 8
Frozzy 8
Hercules 8
Theben 8
FlameFlash 7
Osweld/General Ludd 7
CaptainGarlic 6
Duke o'York 6
gjramsey 6
HongHu 5
Rasputin 5
Chaunk 4
GeneralTacticus 4
Nikolai 4
Nuclear Master 4
Azazel 3
joncha 3
Kropotkin 3
ljcvetko 3
mart7x5 3
Sandman 3
flipside 2
SnowFire 2
Urban Ranger 2
anZac 1
Asmodean 1
Boshko 1
china_444 1
Felch 1
MrBaggins 1
Naevrod 1
Sore Loser 1
Stormbringer 1
yaroslav 1


Second, the gamemasters.

Sheep 1
Sheep 2
Sheep 3
Tuberski, Sheep, Skanky 4
alva 5
Spaced Cowboy 6
vovan 7
vovan 8
Zopperoni 9
Kassiopeia 10
Frozzy 11
Jamski 13
Jamski 14
Jamski 15
Jamski 16
Jamski 17
Jamski 18

Hail Jamski! But he missed mafia 12


Third mafias in each game.

Jamski 1
DrSpike/Doc 17
Skanky Burns 6; 11
Spaced Cowboy 5
ADG 10; 13; 17
vovansim/vovan 10
Tuberski/Deathtongue 3; 15
Pave 6
Comrade Tassadar 2
rah 8
Guynemer 7
Kassiopeia 15
Asmodean 4
Zopperoni 11
Spiffor 18
CaptainGarlic 8
Jonny 9
HongHu 9; 16
Rasputin 13; 14
gjramsey 14; 18
Urban Ranger 15
joncha 16

Hail to Jamski again for winning the first game


Finally the points.
I calculated the points like this: If mafia survived they got one point. If mafia killed the other mafia they got one point. If one mafia was killed, alive villages got a point regardless of their voting.
These were the initial rules. However, to reward the winning mafia, I can increase their bonus to 5 points, which I think is the appropriate award.

Kassiopeia 13
Guynemer 11
alva 10
Spaced Cowboy 9
ADG 8
rah 8
Zopperoni 8
DrSpike/Doc 7
Jon Miller 7
MattH 7
Skanky Burns 7
FlameFlash 6
Hercules 6
Jamski 6
Jonny 6
Spiffor 6
Theben 6
gjramsey 5
Drogue 4
Frozzy 4
Osweld/General Ludd 4
Pave 4
Vlad Antlerkov 4
CaptainGarlic 3
Comrade Tassadar 3
Duke o'York 3
GhengisFarb 3
HongHu 3
Nikolai 3
SnowFire 3
Tuberski/Deathtongue 3
mart7x5 2
Sandman 2
vovansim/vovan 2
Asmodean 1
Chaunk 1
Felch 1
joncha 1
Kropotkin 1
ljcvetko 1
MrBaggins 1
Nuclear Master 1
Rasputin 1
Urban Ranger 1
anZac 0
Azazel 0
Boshko 0
china_444 0
flipside 0
GeneralTacticus 0
Naevrod 0
Sore Loser 0
Stormbringer 0
yaroslav 0

We can use this score sheet as starting point for our new scoring system.

Or this alternate score sheet if the winning mafia is awarded 5 points.

Kassiopeia 13
Spaced Cowboy 13
Guynemer 11
alva 10
Jamski 10
gjramsey 9
ADG 8
rah 8
Zopperoni 8
Comrade Tassadar 7
DrSpike/Doc 7
Jon Miller 7
MattH 7
Skanky Burns 7
FlameFlash 6
Hercules 6
Jonny 6
Spiffor 6
Theben 6
Asmodean 5
Drogue 4
Frozzy 4
Osweld/General Ludd 4
Pave 4
Vlad Antlerkov 4
CaptainGarlic 3
Duke o'York 3
GhengisFarb 3
HongHu 3
Nikolai 3
SnowFire 3
Tuberski/Deathtongue 3
mart7x5 2
Sandman 2
vovansim/vovan 2
Chaunk 1
Felch 1
joncha 1
Kropotkin 1
ljcvetko 1
MrBaggins 1
Nuclear Master 1
Rasputin 1
Urban Ranger 1
anZac 0
Azazel 0
Boshko 0
china_444 0
flipside 0
GeneralTacticus 0
Naevrod 0
Sore Loser 0
Stormbringer 0
yaroslav 0

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way too lucky way of scoring....


if i had time id do a comparison of my scorign suggestions....

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Wow... that must have taken quite some time

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quote:
Originally posted by ljcvetko
First the number of games played.

ADG and Skanky Burns played all games



Does this officially show I have no life?

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Is that meant to imply that I also have no life?

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Wow... that must have taken quite some time


Indeed. Good job.

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quote:
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Wow! What a dashing avatar

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Did he get it from a toothpaste commercial or what?

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quote:
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Wow... that must have taken quite some time


Yes it did. But I didn't have anything to do yesterday at work so I endeavoured to produce a score sheet for the benefit of us all.

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