17-05-2004 09:16									#61
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quote: 'Frasier' wasn't camp all the time, and even when it was camp, the irony of two fictional straight men being portrayed in such a camp way was funny. Add in Daphne's bizarre mutating Manchester accent (and the fact that the actor playing Frasier's father was born in Manchester) her brother's absurd 'Mockney' transatlantic accent, the non-appearance of Maris, Ros Doyle's vigorous libido and an out gay actor playing the obnoxiously heterosexual Bulldog, and you have ironies galore and the potential for a great deal of extremely funny situations, and more to the point, the escalating disaster farce/comedy that 'Frasier' did so well- I mention only the restaurant episode, 'Les Freres Heureux' as a case in point.

A wonderful smart comedy and one of the best of all time! The contrast between Frasier/Niles and their father was always hilarious. That 'Duke and the Dutchess' quip in the finale was utterly side-splitting and so apt for John Mahoney's character.

And rarely 'camp'.

	17-05-2004 09:16									#62
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Too bad I can't take the opinion of a Reagan shoe-shine boy seriously.

	17-05-2004 09:17									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Trust me, I've been in the entertainment biz longer than you have, hun.

Does working for an escort service truly qualify one as part of "the entertainment biz"?

You weren't the tranny hooker Dannie punched out, were you ?!?!?

	17-05-2004 09:18									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Asher

Vomit.

However, as a rejoinder, you haven't shown that being camp rules out being funny, nor that 'La Cage Aux Folles' and Charles Peirce weren't funny.

So go eat a moose burger in maple syrup.

Uncle Sparky- 'Fawlty Towers' also did farce successfully- although it wasn't North American.

	17-05-2004 09:22									#65
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quote: Too bad I can't take the opinion of a Reagan shoe-shine boy seriously.

Did someone not funny say something?

	17-05-2004 09:23									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Too bad I can't take the opinion of a Reagan shoe-shine boy seriously. Did someone not funny say something?

me

	17-05-2004 09:25									#67
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Uncle Sparky- 'Fawlty Towers' also did farce successfully- although it wasn't North American.

Correct, of course, I should have specified American TV.

	17-05-2004 09:30									#68
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quote: too many inconsequential episodes of non-things not happening to nebbishy people

Well, that was the point (er... non-point) of Seinfeld which millions (including myself) loved. It was a show about nothing and didn't pretend to be anything. It's my favorite series of all time. Followed closely by Frasier, though.

	17-05-2004 09:36									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: too many inconsequential episodes of non-things not happening to nebbishy people Well, that was the point (er... non-point) of Seinfeld which millions (including myself) loved. It was a show about nothing and didn't pretend to be anything. It's my favorite series of all time. Followed closely by Frasier, though.

And it was the point whioch caused me (and millions of others) not to enjoy it.

I don't care for Woody Allen's humour either, but I usually enjoy New York Jewish humour, and Yiddish/Jewish humour in general. Chacun a son ragout....

	17-05-2004 09:59									#70
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quote: And it was the point whioch caused me (and millions of others) not to enjoy it.

Ah, but that 'point' was enough to make it a ratings God, and that was all that counted. Yes, there are many who hate that fact of the show, but a majority did love it enough to have TV Guide rate it as their #1 sitcom of all time.

But it depends, like most things, on what your tastes are. Even those that didn't really like it could at least admit it was better than Friends (ok, not saying much) .

I guess my point is that the non-point of the show may not be a negative, though it depends on what che likes (he's the one who did 'miss out' on it).

	17-05-2004 10:33									#71
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uhh everything really.

If it's popular, you can bet I never listen to it.

Ricky Martin, that country singer dude, Boys 2 men, mariah carey. never heard them.

I haven't even heard Nirvana's nevermind until months later (although I was in boot camp and couldn't listen to music )

	17-05-2004 10:44									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident uhh everything really. If it's popular, you can bet I never listen to it.

Luciano Pavarotti, Queen, Billie Holiday, Nina Simone, Frank Sinatra....

There's popular and then there's popular. After all, even the Bible is popular culture.

	17-05-2004 10:45									#73
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I like queen of that list. They may have been popular at one time, but that was before my time.

so technically I'm not on a band wagon. They were never popular when I started liking them.

	17-05-2004 17:01									#74
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It's quite a popular trend to brag about how you like nothing popular.

	17-05-2004 17:27									#75
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There's some series called '24' that I haven't seen a minute off. But for some reason I get the impression that it's a popular serier. I guess it's 'cause people seems to assume that I'm watching it.

Furthermore, I'm still not sure what song JohnT's talkning about in the opening post. Sure, I must have heard it but I haven't burdened my brain with that information.

	17-05-2004 22:25									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It's quite a popular trend to brag about how you like nothing popular.

I fairly certain that's where all the accusations of "selling out" come from when a niche performer becomes popular.

	17-05-2004 23:07									#77
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although you could argue Metallica was popular at one time.

But I liked them before they became popular, so that doesn't count

As for Nirvana. I like them as well, but only after Kirk Cobain died .

	17-05-2004 23:37									#78
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk I fairly certain that's where all the accusations of "selling out" come from when a niche performer becomes popular.

Yep, exactly. That's always annoyed me about lots of music critics in particular.

	17-05-2004 23:43									#79
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I think I'm in the process of missing out on why every second joe six-pack rapper is a multi-millionaire.

	17-05-2004 23:49									#80
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harry potter

	18-05-2004 03:30									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf harry potter

Yes.

Not read a single word yet.

Nor seen the films.

	18-05-2004 04:03									#82
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harry potter seems like it was designed for kids. I'm more into adult things.

Even Lord of the Rings I felt should have been given an R rating and made more bloody. All that killing, and not a single drop of blood

	18-05-2004 04:22									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident harry potter seems like it was designed for kids. I'm more into adult things.

'Gulliver's Travels' is frequently bowdlerized and thought of as being primarily for children yet is a sophisticated satire on politics and society. People see the great big giants and the tiny Lilliputians and the talking horses and assign it to the play room.

Is the A Team more to your liking?

	18-05-2004 04:25									#84
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that's too 80's. even when I was a kid I thought it was stupid. But my brothers watched it, so I was pretty much forced to watch it. I did love the van though

	18-05-2004 04:31									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident that's too 80's. even when I was a kid I thought it was stupid. But my brothers watched it, so I was pretty much forced to watch it. I did love the van though

On a completely different subject, briefly- is that Tony Shalhoub in 'Big Night Out' in your avatar?

I loved that film. Comedy and food- I was in heaven.

	18-05-2004 04:39									#86
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...checking imdb. no it appears not. he's the soup nazi, but it doesn't appear shalhoub played him. Although he did play a character in the computer RPG fallout

	18-05-2004 04:53									#87
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One of Seinfeld's best characters .

	18-05-2004 04:59									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui One of Seinfeld's best characters .

An episode I actually enjoyed.

Like Frasier's 'Restaurant' episode, and the 'Deli Nazi' episode, with the imported dog food and imported British biscuits at horrendous marked up prices.

	18-05-2004 05:00									#89
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Oh that imported dog food place!

	18-05-2004 05:06									#90
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Oh that imported dog food place!