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CapTVK
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Voorburg, the Netherlands, Europe
Jan 1970
time: 05:16
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Originally posted by Mercator
Does that really matter? I'd rather have a bad license than no source code at all. Something like the CtP2 license is probably about the best we can expect anyway.
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And else there's always Freeciv. Why not take a look there?  |
Wouldn't Freeciv'ers also be interested in the civ2 source? If one of their goals is full Civ2 compatibility, the civ2 source sure would be helpful. In fact, a colaboration between the two would probably be beneficial to both... There's no chance in hell Civ2 will be released under the GNU license, though, so that would get in the way of sharing code on both ends. |
If you want to use some code from Freeciv in an updated Civ2 or vice versa it would matter....
A mutual effort on Fc and Civ2 would indeed be helpful. No doubt about that. But there are some strict issues that have to be dealt with. If Civ2 is not released under GPL, cooperation would be difficult. So what does happen? Lets say Atari does its job well and releases just the code. Graphic and sound are excluded in the releases, the graphic DLL's are stripped bare except for placeholders...the code is completely cleansed of any possible copyright material. However, if it uses a non-GPL CtP2 type license...
For starters any code snippets in Fc from Civ2 are a nono, and viceversa. Sorry, no Freeciv ferrycode for you  .
Game features/rules formulas are a different matter. They could 'probably' be included. Although Fc is at a point with about 90-95% of Civ2 already in. Unless you count features like the I-can-walk-on-water-trick and I-can-park-my-plane-in-midair-via-'sentry'-without-crashing as official Civ2 rules. Diplomacy was the last major hurdle.
Before I go on I must clear up some confusion. Even if released under GPL Atari ( Infogrames-Microprose) would still 'own' Civ2. They could continue to sell it commercially with all the original graphics and sounds. The code would be available for anyone who would like to tinker without any hassle.
In short i would LOVE to see the Civ2 source released. But I want to see a source that doesn't put a limit on your creativity. If you're going for the gold you don't settle for almost good enough .
Last edited by CapTVK on 25-05-2004 at 03:09
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Angelo Scotto
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Milan, Italy
Oct 1999
time: 05:16
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Originally posted by CapTVK
If you want to use some code from Freeciv in an updated Civ2 or vice versa it would matter....
A mutual effort on Fc and Civ2 would indeed be helpful. No doubt about that. But there are some strict issues that have to be dealt with. If Civ2 is not released under GPL, cooperation would be difficult. So what does happen? Lets say Atari does its job well and releases just the code. Graphic and sound are excluded in the releases, the graphic DLL's are stripped bare except for placeholders...the code is completely cleansed of any possible copyright material. However, if it uses a non-GPL CtP2 type license...
For starters any code snippets in Fc from Civ2 are a nono, and viceversa. Sorry, no Freeciv ferrycode for you .
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Absolutely, but this is the well known problem with the GPL (i'm not starting a flame, it's just my PERSONAL opinion), it's not easy to integrate it with other licenses (not just CtP2, which, i agree, is not a very liberal license, but even with Apache License, Mozilla License and a lot of other licenses that OSI still recognize as open source licenses)
Even if Atari decide to release the code with Apache License or even BSD we still will be unable to take code from freeciv (but you will be able to take code from us).
I think that another interesting development of FreeCiv + Civ2 could be save game compatibility (i think Mercator was referring to it when talking about compatibility), i would love to see a save game saved with Civ2 being imported into FreeCiv and viceversa and this can be obtained independently from license type.
A guy looks at the Civ2 code and writes a complete document about save game format, and FreeCiv group look at these specs and implement the importer.
Anyway, i think that license problem is the last one actually... 
Greetings,
Angelo
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H Tower
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* H Tower signs his name to the petition
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Elok
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Land of Ramen Dragons
Mar 2003
time: 00:16
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Cullions, why not. I'm not sure how much longer I'll be at community college though:
EDIT: You're a considerate guy, Yaro. Even if you were probably joking....address gone!
Last edited by Elok on 29-05-2004 at 22:46
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