24-05-2004 03:52									#31
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Its just the most freating game ever made, according to Spamky Burns.

-Jam

	24-05-2004 04:40									#32
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Dawn of War looks good... very good. Might even pursuade me to splash out on a new graphics card

Rome: Total War also looks good. I was a big fan of Shogun when that came out, missed medievil, but might pick up Rome.

I always seem to ignore all the best games that are new out, and buy them a few years later though... I think it takes a lot to pursuade me to part with my cash...

	24-05-2004 05:05									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski I'm slowly turning into a RTS freak, it seems.

I think what's happening is that RTS is slowly turning into a worthwhile genre.

	24-05-2004 06:45									#34
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WHat is RTS? Like Diablo, and AOE?

	24-05-2004 07:32									#35
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Some examples of this type of game are...

	24-05-2004 07:33									#36
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Warcraft
Starcraft
Command and Conquer...

	24-05-2004 07:38									#37
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aha, i see, RTS is quite fun, Starcraft sucks iit though. Caesar three was the best RTS ever.

	24-05-2004 18:32									#38
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quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear aha, i see, RTS is quite fun, Starcraft sucks iit though. Caesar three was the best RTS ever.

Citybuilders, though usually in RT, and usually considered with the strategy genres, are for some odd reason almost never called RTS, even less often than games like EU or SMG.


Theres such a huge number of games that follow the mode of build a gathering builidng, gather resources, build fighters, and then fight, that this style of game has appropriated the term "RTS". There almost needs to be another term for RT games that dont fit that model.

	24-05-2004 19:31									#39
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I agree. I remember saying to ADG a while back that the Settlers wasn't RTS. "But it's in real time and is a strategy game", he protested.

The real time label was (in days gone by) used to distinguish real time games from turn based games. The distinction is no longer fine enough really.

	24-05-2004 21:34									#40
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I still hear people saying SimCity (or any tycoon game) is RTS

	06-06-2004 01:15									#41
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quote: Originally posted by ADG I still hear people saying SimCity (or any tycoon game) is RTS

Those are simulation games.

	06-06-2004 14:21									#42
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No they're not... I always put simulation to flying-games...

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Well there is a lot of flexibility in the terminology but I tend more towards the useage that Simulation games are those that simulate something reasonably accurately.

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I only use the 'simulation' term to programs that simulates something as accurate as possible, within limits of course... For now I've only come by 2 programs that could fit into this: simLife and Life
When money is involved, and you have to build something from nothing to "whatever goal you set it to", and it's not about war, then it's probably a tycoon game...

	07-06-2004 03:24									#45
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It doesn't really matter that much, as long as the basic idea is communicated right?

	07-06-2004 03:27									#46
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The true definition of a RTS is that it's a bad clone of DuneII (the only good RTS, ever).

	07-06-2004 08:31									#47
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WHat makes all other games a clone? The fact that they follow the same basic formula? Isn't that what defines a genre?

	07-06-2004 14:28									#48
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Well yes, that I use the word clone is just to imply that they are evil.

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Dune 2 deserves respect for being very original, but in absolute terms that doesn't make clones that followed necessarily inferior - in fact many weren't.

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*Kropotkin puts his hands over his ears and starts singing to himself*

	07-06-2004 14:43									#51
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That's a great way to win arguments.

	07-06-2004 18:54									#52
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Well there is a lot of flexibility in the terminology but I tend more towards the useage that Simulation games are those that simulate something reasonably accurately.

but then its a general qualifier, not a genre title. After all lets say, Panzer General, isnt as accurate a sim as say Combat Mission. Caesar 3 isnt as accurate as the Simcity series aspires to be (I assume SC4 is more accurate thatn SC2000 was) there are flight games (crimson skies?) far less accurate than say an MS flight sim. So does that mean CM, SC4 and MS Flight sim belong in a seperate genre all their own, and apart from the others mentioned? I dont think so.

Simulation (as a gaming genre) is typically used to refer to software that simulates (with greater or lesser accuracy) a real world technology or institution, with the emphasis on giving the player the chance to "play" with that technology or institution, rather than pursue particular goals or play "against" the AI or in MP. The paradigm are the flight sims and the various Maxis games.

Now when you simulate a city, you edge towards Strat games. Especially when, as with the Impressions City builders, you move away from a clear distinction between public and private sectors (which SC has) and you place at least some emphasis on training soldiers. Caesar3 in some ways resembles a "typical" RTS.

Im not sure about the Sim vs tycoon distinction, as i havent played the paradigm examples of the latter. My impression is that a tycoon game is focused on the private sector, and uses that to make a more "competitive" game rather than a Maxis style toy.

	07-06-2004 18:57									#53
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark but then its a general qualifier, not a genre title.

Quite, but that's fine. In reality many many games are hard to pigeonhole. Genre terminology shouldn't be taken too far - it is a guide, and a good one, but still only a guide.

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to DrSpike

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I continue to believe that genre names influence not only the layout of stores and websites (making it much easier to find certain kinds of games than others) but affect the way we think about and discuss games. And that the absence of a consensus term that incorporates the whole range of what i (above) called sims tends to take momentum away from that category.

	09-06-2004 00:01									#56
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Thinking about it now, there are different ways you can do genres. You cna do it by gameplay style(FPS, RTS, Sim) or you could do it also by setting(Sci-Fi,Fantasy,Present, Western).

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quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear Thinking about it now, there are different ways you can do genres. You cna do it by gameplay style(FPS, RTS, Sim) or you could do it also by setting(Sci-Fi,Fantasy,Present, Western).

search this forum for favorite games by setting, and you'll see we discussed that