22-05-2004 01:58									#31
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You have to remember that on 9/11 a plane crashed only a few miles down the road from Firaxis. Most every one in that part of the state knows someone who died in the event.

	22-05-2004 02:31									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Like other software, most hackers feel writing Mac viruses is a waste of time.

Well, we still don't get viruses

	22-05-2004 02:37									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master Well, we still don't get viruses

Pity, a good virus might improve them!

Warpstorms point about Firaxis and 9/11 is a good one. Terrorism is too close to us all for comfort, and a lot of people dont want it represented in a Civ game.

	22-05-2004 02:45									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner You may be correct about Firaxis' opinion on this matter. To me, the removal of "poision water supply" was a step in the wrong direction. Instead of trying to be politically correctly, more options should be added to give the game greater flavor. to Firaxis if they took that feature out just because 9/11 occurred.

I don't know for sure whether that's really why they removed it, but that is how it was reported in the gaming industry press at the time.

	22-05-2004 02:47									#35
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm You have to remember that on 9/11 a plane crashed only a few miles down the road from Firaxis. Most every one in that part of the state knows someone who died in the event.

Actually, Firaxis HQ is a good distance away from the Pentagon (though that may just be from my perspective, since I live about 2 miles from the Pentagon) and I doubt most of the people there personally knew people killed in the attack there. That said, the PROFOUND impact that 9/11 had on the psyche of this metropolitan area in its aftermath cannot be discounted.

	22-05-2004 03:28									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner to Firaxis if they took that feature out just because 9/11 occurred.

Ditto the concept of Fundamentalism too...

	22-05-2004 04:43									#37
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I find myself ready to play some rts like RON or AOE from time to time but I always come back to Civ and still find it fresh for the most part. The mechanics of the game are the stable background upon which different strategies are played out just as it is in chess. It may be because I didn’t discover Civ till Civ III but there is still a lot I want to do with this game. I haven’t even done the conquests yet but I want to become more proficient at Sid before I go there. I’ve never played out a game as Zulu or English. I’ve never played a Demi game and multi is an almost untouched world just waiting to be explored. Bored with Civ? Not yet anyway.

	22-05-2004 05:22									#38
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Bored, no, but I have finally broke out my WC3 and played some.

	22-05-2004 05:23									#39
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I have decided to start a game as the Persians!

	22-05-2004 06:40									#40
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 Bored, no, but I have finally broke out my WC3 and played some.

A good game with some great graphics. I hope Civ IV adds a little eye candy.

	22-05-2004 07:08									#41
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CivIII is not THAT bad looking

	22-05-2004 08:36									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master CivIII is not THAT bad looking

Then why is it we have so much trouble introducing her to our families?

	22-05-2004 08:46									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Drachen Then why is it we have so much trouble introducing her to our families?

Because it's a computer game?

	22-05-2004 09:37									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master Because it's a computer game?

Not at all. It's our damned preoccupation with beauty. I know whereof I speak since I have outgrown all of my own and I tell you that C3C is just like the Gorilla in Cabaret. Only known when you love her well. Hmmm…I’ve refuted my original point.

	22-05-2004 09:37									#45
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quote: Originally posted by ceroomaster Ditto the concept of Fundamentalism too...

Fundy was out from the beginning. It was broken gameplay wise.

	22-05-2004 09:43									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Actually, Firaxis HQ is a good distance away from the Pentagon (though that may just be from my perspective, since I live about 2 miles from the Pentagon) and I doubt most of the people there personally knew people killed in the attack there. That said, the PROFOUND impact that 9/11 had on the psyche of this metropolitan area in its aftermath cannot be discounted.

True, it is about 60 miles (I know, I drive by both on the way to work, and I do know quite a few people who were in the Pentagon at the time). I guess when both are on your commute you think of them as close (difference of perspective, I think of anything within a hundred or so miles as right down the road).

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I didn't know you were in Northern Virginia, WarpStorm. I've worked on several IT contracts at the Pentagon and US Treasury over the past few years. I drive by the Pentagon on a regular basis.

I didn't know Firaxis had an office in the area...

	22-05-2004 09:58									#48
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quote: Originally posted by spy14 Pity, a good virus might improve them! Warpstorms point about Firaxis and 9/11 is a good one. Terrorism is too close to us all for comfort, and a lot of people dont want it represented in a Civ game.

That doesn't make too much sense. How would a good virus improve the Apple computers?

	22-05-2004 11:31									#49
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm True, it is about 60 miles (I know, I drive by both on the way to work, and I do know quite a few people who were in the Pentagon at the time). I guess when both are on your commute you think of them as close (difference of perspective, I think of anything within a hundred or so miles as right down the road).

I was glad I worked in the A-ring (thats the ring closest to the center for those who haven't been there). I had another office in the E-ring (outer ring).

	23-05-2004 16:12									#50
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NM, I think it is accurate to say that C3C really reinvigorated Civ for me and a lot of others I have seen posting here. It's good that you seem to be getting back into SP a little, and perhaps the SPDG as well, Feudal or not. However if you get the chance (perhaps on a friend's computer?) to try C3C, I strongly suggest you do. It might convert you a little from Macs.

Although I would have liked to have concepts like covert sabotage etc operations on other civs in Civ3, I believe it was the best choice to make to remove anything like that at the time. Now however, terrorism and the like, however terrible, is a part of life in this decade for ALL of us, and would be a good inclusion in the next iteration of Civ, IMO. It should be a menace to be defended against, and if the option is made available to use, it should come with potentially terrible consequences for the user, as nuclear war does in Civ right now.

	23-05-2004 16:22									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Actually, it should be noted that the ability to poison the water supply or otherwise commit terrorism on other civilizations in Civilization III was removed from the game before it went to retailers in October 2001 only a month after the September 11th attacks.

Never knew that - very interesting, thanks Arnelos. That might have added a nice extra element to the game.

Take it with a pinch of salt though.....any new element of complexity they add to the game must be accompanied by a very well thought out set of AI algorithms to deal with it, or the human will easily outsmart the computer yet again!

	23-05-2004 18:28									#52
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Well, my Civ gaming sessions usually go in cycles where my interest waxes and wanes. In fact, my entire gaming existence is governed by these cycles, in which my interest in various games (Civ, MoO, Total War) waxes and wanes over the months. Right now, I'm in a MoO III phase, with Civ and TW beinbg at a low. In a couple of weeks, either Civ or TW will begin to rise again and MoO will begin to lower. Of course I play other games, but these are usuaslly one shot games, in which I play them once, then forget about them for a year or so before playing them again. It's a neverending circle! It's the Circle of Games (insert Lion King music*!

	23-05-2004 22:46									#53
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt NM, I think it is accurate to say that C3C really reinvigorated Civ for me and a lot of others I have seen posting here. It's good that you seem to be getting back into SP a little, and perhaps the SPDG as well, Feudal or not. However if you get the chance (perhaps on a friend's computer?) to try C3C, I strongly suggest you do. It might convert you a little from Macs.

I have actually played C3C on a friends computer and I really like it. I think I have decided to get a PC laptop next year. Can anyone recommend a good one for a price of $2000-3000 Canadian?

	23-05-2004 23:41									#54
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Heh... I didn't know WarpStorm lived in the DC area either. Seems we have quite a number of 'poly posters living here. Perhaps a 'poly meet in the "Capital of the Free World" one of these days.

	24-05-2004 03:41									#55
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Perhaps at one of the conventions that pass through the area.

	24-05-2004 08:39									#56
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Perhaps even Northern Virginia BYOL (bring your own laptop) Meeting for a quick game of C3C multiplayer at a coffee shop with free wireless connectivity.

A good idea for anyone that has lost interest in Civ3! (you see, all my postings aren't spam or way off topic )

	24-05-2004 08:42									#57
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They are, because the thread is about ME losing interest. Not for anyone in general

	24-05-2004 08:51									#58
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Okay substitute "Northern Virginia" with your own locale.

*Shogun has substituted "anyone in general" for "ME" Problem solved - thread on topic.

	24-05-2004 08:59									#59
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Your a sneaky spammer. Be proud of that

	24-05-2004 10:10									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner Perhaps even Northern Virginia BYOL (bring your own laptop) Meeting for a quick game of C3C multiplayer at a coffee shop with free wireless connectivity. A good idea for anyone that has lost interest in Civ3! (you see, all my postings aren't spam or way off topic )

Heh... pardon me as I lug my tower, monitor, keyboard, mouse, and a gazillion cables for my destop.

(I really need to invest in a laptop one of these days...)